March 11, 1936

GERMAN CONSCRIPTION


On the orders of the day:


CCF

James Shaver Woodsworth

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTH (Winnipeg North Centre):

Before the orders of the

day are called may I point out that the afternoon papers carry a dispatch from Montreal that Ludwig Kempff, Consul General for Germany in Canada, announced to-day in Montreal that German citizens living in Canada and Newfoundland are to be conscripted for possible service in Germany. The state-

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ment said that Germans who have become naturalized British subjects are not affected, but it also went on to say that enlistments were to be invited. I should like to ask whether, if this dispatch is correct, such action is calculated to maintain good relations between different classes of Canadian citizens, and also as to whether or not the German consul would not be exceeding his rights here in Canada.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, before I

answer my hon. friend I should like to make inquiries as to the actual communication made by the German consul. After having seen it, I shall reply to my hon. friend.

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WAYS AND MEANS

CANADA-UNITED STATES THADE AGREEMENT


The house in committee of ways and means, Mr. Sanderson in the chair. Resolved, that the fiscal treatment accorded to goods, the produce or manufacture of the United States of America, by the trade agreement between Canada and the United States of America, signed at Washington, November 15, 1935, be agreed to so that there may be introduced a bill giving the said trade agreement the force of law in Canada.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Chairman, I think we had better have a clear understanding as to procedure in committee at the present time. The purpose of the resolution is to consider, as I said, the fiscal treatment accorded by the trade agreement to goods, the produce or manufacture of the United States of America. The trade agreement contains a schedule of rates to apply to commodities specified therein imported from the United States. The consideration of the article to which this schedule is attached and of the schedule itself would of course cover the changes in the rates applicable to imports from the United States. There are other clauses in the agreement which I should imagine the committee would also wish to consider in connection with the schedules. They will have to be considered some time, either when the bill itself is before the house or now when the agreement is being discussed in committee of ways and means. If the committee is agreeable to taking up the agreement in its entirety clause by clause at this stage, I fancy it will shorten discussion in the long run and give to hon. members immediately detailed information they are desirous of obtaining in regard to many specific items as well as to the agreement as a whole. If that method is acceptable, I suggest that we consider the agreement clause by clause, and begin now with article No. 1.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Of course it is not within the purview of the resolution, but as there must be a bill founded upon it, and presumably the agreement will be attached as a schedule to the bill, and will be considered in committee of the whole house, the only question is whether or not it is desirable to do it now or when the bill is being dealt with. To me personally it is a matter of indifference. But it is clear that if the bill founded on the resolution is introduced and the agreement attached as a schedule, when the committee goes into committee on the bill the whole matter will be open for discussion. That may be the better place.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

When the

British house considered the Canada-United Kingdom agreement the Chancellor of the Exchequer before introducing the bill at all, moved the house into committee of ways and means to consider the tariff changes involved in the agreement. We are following that course because we think it the preferable one.

I should like to say to my right hon. friend, if he will pardon my doing it at this moment, that I think he was mistaken at an earlier stage in the debate in saying that his government had followed the same procedure.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

No, not the same procedure as in England, the same procedure as adopted in regard to the treaty with France.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Not the same procedure as we have adopted in connection with this agreement. I have looked up the journals and find that the following was the order of procedure in connection with the Canada-United Kingdom agreement: On October 12, 1932, my right hon. friend moved a resolution approving the agreement. The resolution was agreed to on November 3. On November 7, Bill No. 8 was given first reading. On November 8 it was given second reading. On November 21 the bill was reported in committee of the whole, and on November 22 given third reading. It was not until after third reading, namely on November 24, that the resolutions were adopted in committee of ways and means, reported, read the second time and concurred in.

I am proposing that we take up in committee of ways and means, before we introduce the bill at all, consideration of the fiscal matters referred to in the agreement.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

There is, I suppose, no point in discussing the methods that were adopted at other times. What we did with respect to the British agreement was the same as in respect to the French treaty. Last year we adopted a trade agreement with Poland,

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and we adopted one made with France the session before; the schedule was attached to the bill, the bill was introduced on a resolution, and the whole matter was then discussed as an ordinary measure. I am not sure but what the suggestion of the right hon. gentleman as to the desirability of separate treatment being accorded, in committee of ways and means, to the items that constitute the schedule may be the sounder method, but the method we pursued in connection with the Polish agreement was to discuss the schedules to the bill when the bill itself was in committee, and that we may do here when the bill founded on this resolution is introduced into the house. This resolution contemplates discussion at the moment of the tariff items only; there would still remain for consideration the various articles of the agreement. As I point out, those articles must necessarily be open for discussion when the bill is before the house, the schedule being part of the bill. If it is thought desirable to consider the agreement now article by article, I personally have no objection, but it would be competent to have the discussion over again when the schedule comes up as part of the bill.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Quite right.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Whatever the right hon. gentleman thinks desirable is acceptable as far as I am concerned.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My thought is that we shall probably save time in the end by taking up the agreement now article by article. It is probable that hon. members in discussing the items will make reference to articles in the agreement, and I have no doubt that when we come to the bill itself the house will not wish to repeat a discussion which has already taken place.

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On Article I:

Trade Agreement Between Canada and the United States of America

His Majesty the King of Great Britain, Ireland and the British dominions beyond the Seas, Emperor of India, in respect of the Dominion of Canada, and the President of the United States of America, being desirous of facilitating and extending the commercial relations existing between Canada and the United States of America by granting mutual and reciprocal concessions and advantages for the promotion of trade, have resolved to conclude a trade agreement as a step toward the lowering of the barriers impeding trade between their two countries, and for this purpose have through their respective plenipotentiaries agreed upon the following articles:

Article I

Canada and the United States of America will grant each other unconditional and

unrestricted most-favoured-nation treatment in all matters concerning customs duties and subsidiary charges of every kind and in the method of levying duties, and, further, in all matters concerning the rules, formalities and charges imposed' in connection with the clearing of goods through the customs, and with respect to all laws or regulations effecting the sale or use of imported goods within the country.

Accordingly, natural or manufactured products having their origin in either of the countries shall in no case be subject, in regard to the matters referred to above, to any duties, taxes or charges other or higher, or to any rules or formalities other or more burdensome, than those to -which the like products having their origin in any third country are or may hereafter be subject.

Similarly, natural or manufactured products exported from the territory of Canada or the United States of America and consigned to the territory of the other country shall in no case be subject with respect to exportation and in regard to the above-mentioned matters, to any duties, taxes or charges other or higher, or to any rules or formalities other or more burdensome, than those to which the like products when consigned to the territory of any third country are or may hereafter be subject.

Any advantage, favour, privilege or immunity which has been or may hereafter be granted by Canada or the United States of America in regard to the above-mentioned matters, to a natural or manufactured product originating in any third country or consigned to the territory of any third country shall be accorded immediately and without compensation to the like product originating in or consigned to the territory of the United States of America or Canada, respectively, and irrespective of the nationality of the carrier.

Article I agreed to.

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On Article II:

Mr. STEfVENS: In regard to this article

and other articles of a similar character, I should like to ask whether it is clearly understood that it does not include concessions of arrangements between Canada and other countries in the British empire?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

That is covered by

article XIII.

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March 11, 1936