February 25, 1936

LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

So far as disposing of a part of the reserve for farming purposes to white men, as the hon. member suggested, is concerned, it is necessary in all cases to get the approval of the band to the surrender of any of their property. I am not entirely familiar with conditions surrounding such a surrender in Quebec, but I understand that the point arises that if a surrender is made it has to be made to the crown.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

I think the provincial government, if the question were stated seriously, could enter into an agreement whereby if the land is to be abandoned by the Department of Indian Affairs it would not revert to the crown as represented by the provincial government, but the Quebec government could come to an agreement allowing the Department of Indian Affairs to sell that land. I know this question involves some difficulties which were not solved in the past, but I discussed this matter with the provincial government some years ago, and if my memory serves me aright, I believe a solution of the problem can be found.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The consent of the Indians would be required to any transaction of that kind. With regard to the other point that my hon. friend mentioned, namely, the presence of white people on the reserves, that presents a rather difficult problem. It has occasionally happened that a white man has married an Indian woman of the reserve. He may die, and then the Indian woman, who has taken the status of her husband, may with her children return to the reserve. Under the [DOT]Indian Act they are no longer Indians, but of course they are living on the Indian reserve, and the practice, I am informed, has been to supply them with relief where that is necessary. This is one of the problems that arise perhaps inevitably in the administration of Indian affairs. I shall be very glad to keep in mind the observations made by my hon. friend. I am sorry to say that I am not in a position to state just how far we shall be able to go in meeting his wishes.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

Referring again to the question of money that was invested by the crown some years ago in the Grand River Navigation Company and which belonged to the Six Nations Indians, I discussed this matter at one time with a former Minister of the

Interior, the Hon. Charles Stewart. He told me at that time that in lieu of this, the government had been granting some ten thousand dollars annually for the upkeep of the roads on this reservation. Is that item of ten thousand dollars included in this item?

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I am sorry that at the

moment I cannot give a definite answer to my hon. friend's question. My deputy tells me that some special grants are given to this reserve. Whether or not one is given in consideration of a claim which they believe they have against the crown, and to which the hon. member for Brant has referred, I cannot say.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I should not like the minister to have the impression that I said "in consideration of this claim"; the amount was rather as a satisfaction to them in lieu of the claim itself. I know this money has been expended, and very well expended, on the reservation for the past few years in the building of roads, although the roads are not nearly completed, and I suggest to the minister that the grant should be continued if possible.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

We shall have that under

consideration.

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Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

Do I understand the minister to say that compulsory education is definitely established on the Indian reserves as well as in other public school systems in Ontario or the dominion? I could not catch his answer because of interruptions. I am referring to compulsory education.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

According to the information I have, it was intended under the Indian Act that educational facilities should be made available to Indian children as fa.r as possible, and that where they were available the Indian children should take advantage of them. In that sense there is a limit to compulsion. But my hon. friend probably knows that in attempting to enforce compulsory education, even in ordinary white communities, certain difficulties are encountered. In Indian communities those difficulties are not less; perhaps they are increased.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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CON

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOCKHART:

Is the adolescent age still applicable to Indian children the same as it is in other communities? The adolescent age is sixteen years.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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CCF

James Samuel Taylor

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. TAYLOR (Nanaimo):

May I ask

whether there is any allocation of that nineteen thousand dollars plus for the building and repair of houses in the Cowichan reserve?

Unemployment-Relief Camps

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I cannot say at the

moment. If the Cowichan reserve deserves some of the appropriation it is probably getting it.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette

Liberal

Mr. BRADETTE:

There are two problems I want to bring to the attention of the Indian department. One is connected with the extension of the Timiskaming and Northern Ontario railway from Cochrane to Moosonee. That has created a new situation.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

It is eleven

o'clock.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette

Liberal

Mr. BRADETTE:

I was asking the indulgence of the house. But I am satisfied to let the matter go.

Progress reported.

Topic:   ANALYSIS OF CONCESSIONS GRANTED TO CANADA BASED ON UNITED STATES IMPORTS FROM CANADA-CALENDAK YEAR, 1929
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Wednesday, February 26, 1936


February 25, 1936