July 4, 1935

CON

John Thomas Hackett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HACKETT:

Merely to identify him with the name on the list.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

It simply will not work. It is a discrimination against people unfortunate enough to be illiterate.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

No.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Why not ask the elector to sign his name on the ballot? That would be just as good.

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LIB

Samuel Factor

Liberal

Mr. FACTOR:

I repeat that this suggested change is in contravention of section 38 of the Dominion Elections Act, which provides that once a man's name is on the voters' list he is entitled) to vote, provided

he is not impersonated. Here the suggestion is made again to put him through the test which he was .put through either by the enumerator in connection with the preparation of the basic list or by the revising officer when the revision took place. He has already taken a certificate or oath that he has been in a certain electoral district. On the day of election we would be putting him through the same test, so far as sections 2 and 3 of the bill are concerned. I say such procedure would be in contravention of section 38. If we wish to guard against impersonations, all right, but not in this form.

.Mr. MacNIOOL: I am strongly in favour of this-

UMr. CASGRAIN: Of course.

Mr. MacNIOOtL: -new form 20.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Then it must be wrong.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNIOOL:

It might be wrong if

you said it. The revision which has been taking place since May 15 convinces me that such a form should1 be available, and I believe it would not be used as certain hon. members of the opposition have attempted to indicate. There will be people appearing at the polls in the coming election who wild not be entitled to vote for this reason.: In enumeration which has taken place in constituencies with which I am familiar the work was done by enumerators sent out by candidates or members. When these enumerators called to ascertain whether there were new names to be put on the lists in many instances they would find that the people were not at home and, under such circumstances, would leave a form. At a later date they would call back and get the forms. I believe there will be occasions when it will be necessary to ask a man if he is a British subject, and, if it is believed that he is not, to ask him to swear to it.

I know of polling subdivisions where as many as 105 changes have been made from the list prepared last October. Information which has .come to me indicates that several of the people whose names have been added to the lists are not twenty-one years of age.

I was told of a young lady-I shall not give her name, because it would not be my business to challenge her vote-who was only nineteen years of age and, contrary to advice, it is said her name was .placed on the list. Undoubtedly there will be many cases like that, and' I suggest the amended form would provide against this difficulty because the person must state, if sworn, he or she is of the full age of twenty-one years. I can see nothing wrong with that. Then he or

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she must swear to being a British subject, and I believe people have been put on the list recently who may not be British subjects.

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LIB

Samuel Factor

Liberal

Mr. FACTOR:

There is no objection to

paragraph 1.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNIOOL:

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

All that should have been

done at the revision.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

But in the present

revision the enumerators named either by candidates or members may not have ascertained that.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

There has been a revision

since the list was established.

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CON

John Ritchie MacNicol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacNICOL:

Yes, I know. I am trying to point out that ordinarily it is supposed that the registrar of electors has been making all the revisions. It is true that in my constituency the registrar sat at three different places and my information is that approximately 200 or more names were enrolled at those three offices at which the registrar of electors held his revision. While he did1 his job efficiently, there have been between three and four thousand other names added in my riding, which goes to show that over three thousand names were added by the enumerators appointed by the candidates or by the member. I am convinced that this is a very necessary form, and I cannot see any objection to it. I cannot see where it would do any barm. It would stop those who have not the right to vote.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

Mr. Chairman, may I call

attention to the fact that it is now nearly a quarter past eleven o'clock? I think the Minister of Justice would be well advised to consider the representations that have been made from this side of the home.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Yes, I will consider them, but I think there is a great deal of force in what has been said on this side. These lists are prepared in the cities particularly by enumerators, and there are a lot of names on the lists of people who are not British subjects and are not twenty-one years of age.

The first clause is very essential in the oath; that is the one that I think is most important. However, I will consider it between now and to-morrow morning.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

It is more to the requiring of a signature that I object than to the sections 1, 2, 3 and 4, because it will have the effect of jamming the polls.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Only three hundred under the new act.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

There are some people who do not like to be sworn in when they come to register their vote. We have even thought of compulsory voting in this country, so I do not think we should put such obstacles and difficulties in the way of people who are bashful and do not like to have their vote challenged or to have to sign their names, especially illiterate people. I do not think it is right. I do not see what you can accomplish by it, because the man who goes there with fraudulent intent will not hesitate to sign if he is asked to sign. It is the honest people you are going to prevent from voting.

Section stands.

Progress reported.

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It being fifteen minutes after eleven o'clock the house adjourned without question put, pursuant to standing order. Friday, July 5, 1935


July 4, 1935