July 4, 1935

CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

It is the same form; it

will have to be read anyway-the only thing that will take time is the signing of the name. The returning officer has to sign under the present law. There are only three hundred voters on the list for any polling subdivision.

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LIB

Samuel Factor

Liberal

Mr. FACTOR:

But the former oath was

much shorter; there was nothing about its being in the usual handwriting.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

It is the same oath except that last line:

That the signature which I have made to this deposition is in my usual handwriting, and is my true name.

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LIB

Samuel Factor

Liberal

Mr. FACTOR:

Is clause 4, about the

occupation, in the present oath?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Was this particular form in the bill that was presented to the house a year ago?

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

I do not think so.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My recollection is that there was some similar form, if not this one, and that strong exception was taken, particularly by the hon. member for Hochelaga (Mr. &t-Pere), on the ground taken this evening, that it might lead to polls becoming jammed on account of the length of time it would take to sign these forms.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

As the hon. member for Toronto West Centre (Mr. Factor) has pointed out, under the Dominion Elections Act if a man's name is on the list he is entitled to vote. Here again, under section 3 we compel him to say that he is ordinarily a resident and to repeat all the qualifications which were required when he was placed on the list by the registrar. It seems to me that there are .many superfluous sections in this affidavit, and I believe it might well be reconsidered.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Let us read the present oath, which appears as form No. 20 of the act of last year:

You swear that you verily believe that you are the person intended to be referred to by the entry in the list of voters for this polling

division of the name of

Whose occupation is given as

and whose address is given as

So help you God.

The (blanks have to be filled in.

Elections Act

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

I say that is all that is necessary.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

The suggested form shows a residential qualification and complies in that respect with the section-

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

With

what is already proved to the registrar.

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Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

-with the section of the Franchise Act applicable to the case, namely, that the person was on the list of voters on May 15, the date mentioned in the Franchise Act. That is the reason the date has been included here.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

One is an oath administered and the other is an affidavit made. There is quite a difference.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

It is for the purpose of identification and to reduce the number of fraudulent votes polled at elections. The purpose is so far as possible to stop impersonation.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Last

year's form is much better than this one.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

No, because it is an open oath. A man took it, voted and went away and there was nothing to identify him. Now we have his signature. It has been found that if it were desired to prosecute it was difficult to make an identification. Here we have a document upon which he may be prosecuted.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

Surely it must have been noted at the time the man voted that he was sworn?

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

There is a note made by the returning officer, yes.

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LIB

Samuel Factor

Liberal

Mr. FACTOR:

Section 38 of the Dominion Elections Act provides that once a man is on the basic voters' list as revised he is entitled to vote. This affidavit would put him through another test, just as though he were going through another enumeration.

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July 4, 1935