June 28, 1935

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I should like the item to stand. The hon. member for Quebec East, among others, wishes to speak on it.

Item stands.

To enable the governor in council for and as one of the purposes of section 9 of the Supplementary Public Works Construction Act, 1935, to authorize the Minister of Finance to make loans to the railway companies for the betterment or repair of railway equipment out of any sum authorized by subsection 4 of said section 9 to be expended for the purchase of railway equipment, any such loan to be in reduction of the sum so authorized to be expended, $1.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Would the minister explain this vote? It looks more like an act of parliament than an estimate.

Supply-M iscellaneous

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

This is done for the purpose of permitting the Minister of Finance to advance moneys for repairs, rather than to guarantee securities. It does not increase the expenditures in any way, but it does permit him to advance moneys.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

This seems an odd way to do it. Should it not be part of an act of parliament?

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

It could have been done as a modification of Bill No. 93, but it was thought preferable to do it in this way

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

The bill was passed. This action was taken at the instance of the Department of Railways and Canals, and I took no exception because the original bill had passed both houses, and to pass a second bill respecting a similar matter during one session would seem to be a cumbersome procedure. This method was adopted for the convenience of the companies and it will not cost the treasury one cent.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

More government by order in council?

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Air. RHODES:

No.

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Item agreed to. To provide, notwithstanding the terms of the Civil Service Act or any other act or law, for payment of honoraria to members of the public service-subject to allocation by the treasury board, $10,000.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

A few moments ago an item somewhat similar to this was called and exception was taken to it. I believe it is a dangerous procedure to give a government power to pay honoraria out of the public revenues to members of the public service without naming them in the estimates.

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

Under the circumstances I believe the item should stand. It was submitted by the Prime Minister, and I believe he has a special consideration in mind.

Item stands.

Miscellaneous, including printing and stationery; subscriptions to commercial papers; flags; dating stamps; locks; instruments; express charges on samples; legal forms; legal expenses; premiums on guarantee bonds; uniforms for customs-excise officers; laboratory equipment and supplies, etc.-further amount required, $25,090.

Mr. PO'ULIOT: As this item relates to printing perhaps I may get some information from the government about the printing of the lists. I asked the Secretary of State for the information and he referred me to returns. I

rMr. Mackenzie King.]

wonder if the government could give any statement as to the cost of printing election lists. If they cannot do so now possibly they would let the item stand.

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CON

Raymond Ducharme Morand (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

This is printing in connection with the Department of National Revenue, and has nothing to do with the printing of voters' lists.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Oh, well, printing is done by the printing bureau. Everything is so badly mixed up in the supplementary estimates that this vote might include something for the printing of lists. The item should stand until the Secretary of State is present to state whether or not this vote includes an expenditure for revision of lists.

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CON

Robert Charles Matthews (Minister of National Revenue)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MATTHEWS:

It does not include any expenditure for such printing.

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LIB

Item agreed to. Printing of parliamentary and departmental publications - further amount required to provide for the Canada Year Book, $2i5,000.


LIB

Edward James Young

Liberal

Mr. YOUNG:

In the present session we have passed .many bills which have been sent to the other chamber, amended and sent back to this chamber. Some of the amendments have been accepted and some rejected. Then they have gone back to the upper chamber sometimes for further amendment. The result is that very few members know exactly how any of these bills read to-day. This afternoon we went to the other chamber at which time royal assent was given to certain bills. I do not know exactly how they read in their final form. I went to the distribution office and asked for copies of them as they are now, but I was told that they were not printed and would not be printed. We will not know how those bills read until the published volume comes out later.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

The hon. member could get them from the Senate, and in the distribution office.

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LIB
CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

The clerk of the Senate would give them to the hon. member.

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June 28, 1935