June 28, 1935

IND

Angus MacInnis

Independent Labour

Mr. MacINNIS:

It is not a very nice thing to have to oppose a grant of this kind, particularly after the man for whom it is made has passed away, but I think I must take exception to it. I cannot agree with the statement of the leader of the opposition that it does not take anything away from anyone else. If it does not; if there is sufficient for every returned soldier in need and the widow of every returned soldier who passed away because of injury received during the war, why do they not get it? I have before me an item that I clipped from the Vancouver paper that came, I think, yesterday. This is what I find:

Many returned soldiers and their families are urgently in need of clothing and shoes. If donors will telephone the returned soldiers' club, contributions will be called for.

Why should one man's family receive S50,000 and the families of other soldiers who gave their all-gave their life, and no man can give more-have to do with other people's cast off clothing? I protest against this grant until every returned man and -every soldier's widow has at least a decent standard of living.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

May I

say to my hon. friend from Vancouver South (Mr. Maclnnis) that he is mixing two entirely different questions. I think there are some in this house, I say it with all respect and deference, who have done more than he has done-

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IND

Angus MacInnis

Independent Labour

Mr. MacINNIS:

I ask the hon. gentleman to retract that. There is nothing against me as a citizen of this country.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

If my

hon. friend will allow me to finish my sentence, I mean in the solution of soldiers' problems.

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IND
LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I was

not casting the slightest reflection on my hon. friend; he took me up too soon. I say many of us in this house have devoted many years to the solution of soldiers' problems; I think I may claim that I am as

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conversant with those problems as my hon. friend, and if I thought for one instant that this grant would interfere in the slightest degree with giving full justice to every widow, orphan, and dependent of a Canadian soldier or every disabled soldier in Canada I would not support it. But I do not think so. I think it symbolizes the effort of the Canadian army in the great war. This house has at all times unanimously and regardless of party supported the utmost efforts to care for the widows, orphans and dependents of those who served overseas. I am sure this House of Commons will continue to do so, and to see that every Canadian pensioner or soldier who deserves a pension will get the utmost that can be given. That is not a party question in this house; we are all for it. I agree with my right hon. leader that by this act of justice we should indicate to the widow of the late Sir Arthur Currie our recognition of the services of the man who was privileged to lead our gallant Canadians overseas.

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IND

Angus MacInnis

Independent Labour

Mr. MacINNIS:

Then as this is not going to take anything from any other returned soldier or returned soldier's widow or family, I suggest that we make a contribution to every other returned soldier or returned soldier's widow, not of 850,000 but, since we have enough, of 81,000, and see that that grant is paid as long as they need it. I should like my hon. friend to support that.

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LIB

Robert McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE (Assiniboia):

I must say that I cannot favour this vote. There are hundreds of returned men among the two thousand assembled to-day in Regina who are protesting against a pittance of twenty cents a day in the relief camps. When they see that no.t a returned man but the estate of a returned man is being paid 850,000 a year-

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

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LIB

Robert McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE (Assiniboia):

Well, $50,000 to his estate. There are plenty of returned men in the constituency I represent who are in real distress to-day. All they want is a chance to earn a living, and it is not provided for them. If there is any real necessity for a vote of this kind, why not grant a certain amount yearly? We all know that Sir Arthur Currie rendered great services, but if there is any real distress in his family why not grant a yearly allowance to his estate? I am entirely opposed to a grant of $50,000 to the estate of any man, no matter what may have been his reputation in the past.

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Item agreed to. To provide for expenses of the comptroller of the treasury's office - further amount required, $80,000.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

This had

better be held.

Item stands.

Allowance to the representative of the Department of Finance as a member of the Canadian Farm Loan board, during tenure, $1,500.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

May I ask the minister

if the farm loan board is operating now in the province of Quebec?

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

Yes.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I wonder if the minister could give any information as to what the government are paying those who have been appointed in the various provinces. I know in the province of British Columbia a new appointee, Mr. Hellmer, has taken charge. I wonder if the minister has that information.

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

I am afraid I have not the exact salaries here; if I have not I am content to let the item stand.

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LIB
CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

I am content to let the item stand; I will obtain that information.

Item stands.

Grant to 1'Association Canadienne-Fraucaise des Aveugles to assist in work with the blind, $4,050. '

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June 28, 1935