June 27, 1935

PENSIONS AND NATIONAL HEALTH


Salaries and contingent expenses of the Canadian Pension Commission-further amount required, $10,000.


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I should like to ask the Minister of Pensions and National Health to explain this increase.

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Donald Matheson Sutherland (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

It is felt by the

bhairman of the commission and myself that better service might be given the pensioners and those who desire pensions if occasionally they might be examined -by other doctors. Often after a doctor has examined an applicant three times he has a tendency to look at the man in the same way every time, and this is to obviate that possibility to a certain extent.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Air. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Will

these be private doctors outside the department? 1

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CON

Donald Matheson Sutherland (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

No, these are the

permanent men.

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Item agreed to. DEPARTMENT OP NATIONAL DEFENCE Militia Services- Engineer services and works-further amount required, $400,000.


LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I wish to direct the

attention of the committee to the huge share of these supplementary estimates devoted to military purposes. First we have this item of $400,000 for engineer services and works, further amount required; the next item is general stores, further amount required, $600,000. This is all in addition to what was voted in the main estimates, which was supposed to meet the requirements of the

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Department of National Defence. The next item is for non-permanent active militia, further amount required, $386,000; the next item is for permanent force, further amount required. $265,000. Those sums make a total of $1,651,000 for militia services. If you add to that the $145,000 for naval services and the $1,302,900 for aviation, you reach the enormous amount of $3,098,900 for militia, naval defence and aviation. If you add to that the other items which are voted to other departments, such as the $400,000 for a barracks in the good old city of Calgary which is so ably represented in this house, you reach the huge total of $4,500,000. That is almost one-third of the total amount to be voted in these supplementary estimates, a larger amount than that being voted for public works and much larger than the amounts provided for any other service of government. I desire to protest against this huge expenditure for military purposes, and I wish the minister would give the committee the reasons why such amounts are required at the present time.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

In a general way these supplementary votes are necessary because of the dilapidation which has taken place during the past few years. For the last three or four years necessary economies have been affected and expenditures have been curtailed and we are endeavouring to restore the properties of the department, both physical and human, to the condition in which they were before. Under the engineering vote, $50,000 is required for the repair of buildings which have been allowed to deteriorate to a certain extent. If these buildings are not restored we shall have to spend a great deal more later on. The second item is $70,000 for construction work on the citadel in Quebec. I was interested in seeing the work which has been done in restoring the citadel. As the frost comes out each spring the masonry walls are in great danger of sliding down on to the streets of Quebec, and I am surprised that a major accident has not occurred already.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Is not that work on walls being carried on by the unemployed in the relief camp at the citadel?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

A certain amount of work has been done in that way, but- if these walls are to be prevented from falling into the streets the work will have to be done more quickly in order to complete it before next winter. The largest item in this engineering vote is to provide for the purchase of land at Rockcliffe in order to carry out the arrangements which have been arrived at by the

federal district commission, the Department of Justice acting for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and the Department of National Defence. This scheme in connection with the Rockcliffe airport has taken some little time to consummate. The federal district commission has been most anxious to improve the entry into Ottawa from Montreal, and through the acquisition of certain pieces of land, through a give and take by all thfe parties mentioned, a suitable arrangement has been arrived at under which certain high land to the south of the Rockcliffe air field passes into the possession of the Department of National Defence. For some time this department has been desirious of removing certain high trees which were a menace at least to emergency landings, and they will now have control over any buildings which may be built on this land. The commission gets its new roadway as well as other pieces of land which in due course will probably foe sold, and the money derived from the sale of these lands by the district commission will be a first charge against this expenditure. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police will be able to round out a piece of property close to their barracks which hitherto they have had to borrow from the Department of National Defence. They will get an area very well suited to their purposes and the Department of National Defence will retain control over building to be erected so that the landing facilities of the Rockcliffe field will not be jeopardized.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

Do the three items referred to by the minister make up the total of $400,000?

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Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

That amount is made up by the $50,900 I mentioned for the repairs of buildings. I gave the figures roughly. There is $69,693 for the Quebec citadel. There is $12,500 being provided for the arsenal program, to which I shall refer later. This covers the removal of the dominion arsenal from Quebec to a point of greater safety at Val-cartier. The transfer of the survey section to a new building at Rockcliffe will cost $9,150. The completion of the married men's quarters in St. Johns, Quebec, will cost $24,100. There are small travelling and freight allowances amounting to $1,250. The purchase of property at Rockcliffe, to which I have alluded, will cost $150,000. There is $9,000 being provided for the extension of a sea wall at the Charlottetown rifle range. A concrete sea wall was erected to prevent erosion but it was not carried quite far enough along the western end and the sea has been encroaching behind the existing wall. It is desirable that the wall should be protected. The replacement of an

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extremely aged heating system in the drill hall at Charlottetown will cost $5,550. The general renovation of the gun emplacements at the Sandwich battery at Halifax will cost $8,000. Provision is being made for a vote of $45,000 for the rebuilding of the wooden part of the armoury at Fredericton. This is a permanent construction with the exception of one end which is wood, and it is no longer money well spent to continue to repair this portion. As these premises are badly needed it is intended to tear down the wooden structure and replace it with a permanent structure. The construction of a concrete retaining wall and the erection of a competitors' hut and other repairs at the Truro rifle range will cost $2,000. The paving of Cogswell street and North Park street in front of the military properties in Halifax will cost $3,000. Then, there is provision for installation of mechanical stokers at Toronto; construction of an addition to provide a miniature rifle range at Kingston armoury; installation of water supply and electric current at Cedar Springs.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

I am very sorry that the minister has not chosen to take into consideration the representations which I made on the main estimates when the ex-Minister of National Defence was in charge of the department, in regard to the extension of the armoury at Rimouski which was requested by the officer commanding the regiment and recommended by the officer commanding the district and the adjutant general. The ex-Minister of National Defence left me with the impression that this demand for an extension which is so urgently needed would perhaps receive recognition when the supplementary estimates were brought down. I am sorry that an item has not been included in the list of works mentioned, and I am sure the fact that it has not been included will cause bitter disappointment to the officers and non-commissioned officers of that regiment.

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LIB

William Alexander Fraser

Liberal

Mr. FRASER (Northumberland):

This

afternoon I participated in a discussion respecting a certain province within this confederation, and in my humble opinion that legislation which we voted on this afternoon was introduced because of the economic depression. To-night I have before me certain telegrams received from one of the eastern provinces, one of the maritimes, the province of New Brunswick, and from these, Mr. Chairman, I understand that there has been a military and political defeat in that province. What I am particularly concerned about at this time, and I rather had it in my

. mind this afternoon when the vote with respect to another province was being taken, is what might happen if we were confronted with a military emergency as well as an economic emergency. In an economic emergency one particular province has been excluded by the vote this afternoon from the operation of a federal act, and with that vote as a precedent, if we were confronted with a military emergency and conscription was applied in Canada, I wonder if the minister would vote to exclude one particular province from a federal act on conscription. I should like to ask on this vote if there is any intention to exclude the province of New Brunswick on account of the overwhelming defeat that has been inflicted upon the Conservative party in that province within the last few hours.

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

The answer is no.

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LIB

George Washington McPhee

Liberal

Mr. McPHEE:

I would like to suggest in regard to this vote that I support the hon. member for Northumberland (Mr. Fraser), because I have just returned from the province of New Brunswick to-day-

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CON
LIB

George Washington McPhee

Liberal

Mr. McPHEE:

and the Minister of

Trade and Commerce (Mr. Hanson) is still down there. I was wondering if in the case of a war the Minister of Trade and Commerce could come back to Ottawa and the parliament of Canada.

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CON

June 27, 1935