May 27, 1935

LIB

John Power Howden

Liberal

Mr. HOWDEN:

But the excavators are pouring the earth into the trucks. It is not being done by men with shovels, as we were led to believe.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

As I understand the minister's explanation the total amount of $1,500,000 provided under this vote is to be expended on parks, historic sites and so on belonging to the federal government. That is what the appropriation provides for. I must say that as the item is drafted it is extremely misleading. There is nothing to indicate that this money is simply for federal properties; the only thing that suggests that this vote is for such purposes is the title itself and the fact that the money is to be administered by the Department of the Interior. The wording of this item is so loose that it has entailed a great deal of trouble for some of us. It has been reported in the press that some of the $1,500,000 provided under this item could be

spent on electric lights, sidewalks and so on, and as a consequence I have received five or six applications from different municipalities for the allotment of certain sums out of this vote. So I would like the minister to state definitely that the whole of this appropriation will be required and will be spent on parks, historic sites and federal property generally, in order to dispose of the rumour that is being circulated at the present time.

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

The wording of the item this year follows very closely the wording of the item last year. For the information of the hon. member for Rimouski may I say that last year the money was spent as indicated on national parks, historic sites and lands or property administered by the crown in the right of the dominion, and we propose to follow the same system this year.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

Therefore all the

applications we are receiving from different municipalities are absolutely useless?

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Quite so.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Is all this money to be

spent in the west?

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

No, a certain amount is

to be spent on historic sites in eastern Canada.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Could the minister tell us how much and where it is to be spent?

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Fort Louisburg, restoration, preservation and improvements, $5,000; Fort Anne, Annapolis Royal, Nova Scotia, completion of repairs, alterations and improvements to buildings, $3,500.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

That is the whole expenditure in eastern Canada?

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Yes, under this item of

this part of the bill.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Will any part of this money be spent on Indian reserves?

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

No.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

I have two Indian reserves in my county. The Restigouche reserve is the oldest in eastern Canada; it is opposite the town of Campbellton. On that reserve there is a road that is a disgrace to the department and the dominion. A magnificent boulevard has been built by the province of Quebec; there is a ferry connection so that people can visit the old church, but the road on the reserve is practically impassable, especially in the spring and fall. Last year I pleaded for some money to be spent on

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that road, but I could not get it. Then in connection with the Maria reserve I forwarded the claim of a poor returned soldier, amounting to $25, for the maintenance of the road during the winter time, but even that [DOT]claim was turned down by the department. We hear about scenic roads in the west, climbing five thousand or six thousand feet into the air. I should like the minister to give some attention to these cases I have cited in the east, to see if he cannot spend some money on the terrain des vaehes, as we say in French. These roads of which I speak are used the year round; they are not used only one or two months a year by the rich people. I see something for the Lake Louise road. I suppose that is intended to attract people to the Canadian Pacific hotel there.

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

No, that road is already

built.

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

The suggestion has been made to-day, and it was made last week, by some members of the official opposition that the government should do away with machinery. that they should let the machinery rot or rust and keep more people at work Lv giving them picks and shovels. In my *opinion to adopt such a suggestion would be simply to turn back the hands of the clock. 'To be logical why not go a little further; why not take away the picks and shovels and give the men trowels or even teaspoons? Then everyone would be kept busy. Surely we should approach this question in a different manner. In giving work we want to produce goods or those advantages for which the people are looking. If we have too many people idle to-day may I suggest that we could very soon get rid of a great many of them by reducing the age at which they would become eligible for old age pension, to sixty years. If that were done two hundred thousand people would be taken off the labour market. To-day we have no less than eighty thousand people over the age of seventy years who are still working. If full IMr. Marcil.J

advantage were taken of the old age pension, therefore, a very large number would be taken off the labour market.

Surely to-day we must realize that we should enslave the machine to mankind rather than turn it the other way around, as has been suggested, and enslave mankind to the machine. I strenuously object to turning the hands of the clock backward. I am in favour of using machines to the limit, so long as we see that the people have sufficient purchasing power with which to buy the things that are produced.

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LIB

Alfred Edgar MacLean

Liberal

Mr. MacLEAN:

I should like to direct a matter to the attention of the Minister of Railways, though it may not come directly under this item. A portion of the trans-Canada highway is being constructed in the province of- Prince Edward Island, and I sincerely trust that that province will be given some consideration in connection with the grade crossing fund. I regret to say that in recent years there have been some very serious accidents on our highways, and that very little of the grade crossing fund has been spent in that province. I am glad the Minister of Railways is in his seat; I feel sure that he will direct the attention of those in charge of the expenditure of this money to this point, so that Prince Edward Island will get its share of the grade crossing fund.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Just while we are on the question of level crossings, the Minister of Railways was going to give the committee some information as to the number of level crossings that have been eliminated in the rural sections of the dominions in each of the last two years.

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I thought I gave all the information my hon. friend asked for. I did give quite a bit of information dealing with the number of grade crossings eliminated, but I do not know that I remember the point he has just made. However I shall look into the matter and give the information which at the present time I have not' at hand. I do not think that information was asked for.

I did get the information covering some years, which appears in Hansard, but whether I gave it as the hon. member wishes it, I do not know.

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May 27, 1935