May 27, 1935

PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM

WORKS, 'UNDERTAKINGS AND GUARANTEE OP RAILWAY EQUIPMENT SECURITIES TO CREATE EMPLOYMENT


The house resumed from Thursday, May 23, consideration in committee of Bill No. 63 to create employment by public works and undertakings throughout Canada and to authorize the guarantee of certain railway equipment securities-Mr. Stewart (Leeds)- Mr. Morand in the chair. On schedule A, item 11-Interior Department-To provide for the construction and development of public buildings, camp sites, electric light and telephone systems, highways, bridges, streets, sidewalks, landing fields, air-harbours, trails, water and sewer systems, recreational areas, wharves, and river protection works; to provide for the development of historic sites including buildings, repairs and restorations; to provide for the purchase and acquisition of building sites, also to provide for the construction of the Golden-Revelstoke (Big Bend) section of the trans-Canada highway, $1,506,000.


LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

May I ask the Minister

of Public Works if his colleague the Postmaster General is in town. If so, will he call him to the house in order that some questions may be put to him in regard to the work done at riviere du Chene?

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Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. A. STEWART (Minister of Public Works):

I really am not in control of the

Postmaster General as to his movements either in the house or out of it. I do not know whether he is in town to-day or not.

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Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

What my hon. friend has just said reminds me of one of the first men who lived on this earth when he said: "Am I my brother's keeper?" I am surprised that my hon. friend should assume that attitude. In Hansard of May 23 at page' 3006, the Postmaster General is reported as follows:

The island for which I paid $100 I offer to the hon. member for Temiscouata for $25- condition, cash. Is it accepted?

I have delayed my answer until now, but now I accept the offer and I have the money ready. I am sorry the Postmaster General is not in his seat because I want to buy that island in order that no more of the public money may be wasted.

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CON

Raymond Ducharme Morand (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

Order.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

What I say is quite

relevant. A challenge was made to a member of the opposition. I have the money here; it is ready to forward to the Postmaster General and (I want to buy his island. When a minister of the crown makes a challenge, it must not be disregarded by the house. I have here 125 of perfectly good money.

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Raymond Ducharme Morand (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

Order.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I want to buy the island. Nothing on earth can prevent me from buying it. What I have to say now is quite revelant and I will tell you, sir, why it is on a point of order. It is because the schedule is a part of the whole bill to which every section refers.

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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

Will the hon. member go to the island and stay there?

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I will give my answer only after the deed is completed.

The committee was all wrong when it was decided to pass the schedule. Every section of the bill refers to the schedule, and therefore while discussing section 2 or section 3 we can refer to the schedule, to the works that are mentioned therein. Further, one can mention any expenditure made by the Department of Public Works, and moreover every expenditure made by the Department of Railways and Canals, the Department of Marine the Department of National Defence and the Department of Agriculture. One can refer to any expenditure made in any department headed by any one of the ministers involved. Therefore I am quite in order when I speak of vast expenditure which has been made under the control of the Minister of Public Works around an island which is not greater than one's hand, on which theTe are four trees and which belongs to the Post-

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master General. I want him to come down to the house, to show that he is a man and that he was not fooling the committee of the house when he offered his island for sale for $25. I waited until now to give my answer. My answer is: Yes; here is $20 and here is $5 more, making $25; I want to send the money to him. The Minister of Public Works does not know where he is. I want the Postmaster General to come down to the house and I hope the Prime Minister will send for him right away in order that he may give an answer and get the money. This is a loss for me, but I do it for the benefit of the country in order that no more public money may be made on and around the island.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Perhaps the hon. gentleman might permit the business of the house to be proceeded with and forget this, because there is a rule that when an offer of that character is made, it remains open for only a reasonable time for acceptance.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I would agree with the right hon. gentleman under different circumstances, but if he remembers well, I supported the hon. member for Antigonish-Guysborough (Mr. Duff) when he opposed adjourning the house for a holiday over the twenty-fourth. I wanted the house to sit on the twenty-fourth, Friday last, and then I would have accepted the offer. But there is another reason why I did not accept it right away; it was because the Postmaster General was mumbling when he made his offer; I did not catch it very well and it was only when I read Hansard the day after, when the house was not sitting, that I realized he had offered his island for $25.

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Raymond Ducharme Morand (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN:

If the hon. gentleman

wishes to buy an island, he can buy it outside the house.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

The offer was made in the house; I have to buy it here; I do not see the Postmaster General outside the house and I do not see him in it all the time. I do not refuse that offer; I accept it and I am sorry the Postmaster General is not here to get the money. There are two pages present and he can get the money right away. Moreover, the hon. member for L'Assomption-Montcalm (Mr. Seguin) who is a notary has agreed to prepare the deed without cost. He will be here to-night and if the Postmaster General accepts, and not only accepts, but is true to his word, is straight enough to sell his island for $25, the hon. member for L'Assomption-Montcalm will sign the deed. If not, I will

sue the Postmaster General for completion of the deed. I regret very much there are slackers who do not appear in the house when questions of such importance are being discussed, and I hope before long we will see him coming here accepting the money which I have shown to the whole committee.

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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

When will the hon. member

go to the island?

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I will go to the island

when it is my own property. There will be no waste of public money there; the Toronto tunnel will not be duplicated in two feet of water.

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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

The hon. member has said that he will go to the island. He did not say whether he would stay there.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

May I ask the Minister of Public Works whether he has agreed to all sensible requests for dredging rivers since he has been in charge of the department?

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May 27, 1935