May 27, 1935

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Milton Neil Campbell

Mr. CAMPBELL:

I think they are all union men. I think the hon. member for Kingston City will bear out the statements I have made.

Mr. MadNNIS: That accounts for the higher wages.

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Milton Neil Campbell

Mr. CAMPBELL:

This company has been paying about $40,000 annually in municipal taxes, in addition to provincial and federal

taxes. At the present time in the city of Kingston there are about 2,500 people on relief, the majority of whom are former employees and the families of employees of this company, and are permanent residents.

I should like to point out something further. Some hon. members have voiced the opinion that probably the car shops could build this equipment as well as it could be built by some of the private companies. This company has been in business for a long time; I am not sure when it was started. They have specialized in the manufacture of locomotives; their designers have kept abreast of the times, and to-day they are prepared to make any of the more advanced equipment used not only in this country but also on some of the United States lines. After their locomotive business was cut off in 1930 they tried to branch out in other lines; I remember that they interviewed me, as a mine manager, in connection with the manufacture of mining machinery. They opened an office in Toronto, sent salesmen through northern Ontario and did their best, but even with the prosperity that the mining industry has enjoyed they have been able to secure only about $150,000 worth of business annually, and to employ only some eighty men who are paid about $116,000 annually.

No doubt much of the equipment and power at present used by the railways is not as fast as it might me; probably much of this power should be renovated and made faster in order to give better service throughout the dominion. I would respectfully ask the minister to' pass on the suggestion to the railway companies that the equipment companies be given a fair share of this work. I think the railway shops are going to benefit to a large extent, particularly since only twenty locomotives are to be purchased, and I think as much business as possible should be given these equipment companies. Any work given the Canadian Locomotive Works of Kingston will benefit the people of that city, the labourers who have been waiting for the last three years for something to do, and the farmers and gardeners throughout the district who depend upon the workingmen for a market for their products, and it will help relieve this one city and two townships surrounding it at least of a large part of the cost of relief.

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Angus MacInnis

Independent Labour

Mr. MacINNIS:

I am not going to delay

the committee more than a moment. Earlier in the evening I mentioned what I had been told as to the wages paid in a certain equipment plant, and the minister stated that he

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was shocked to learn that such wages should prevail in any such plant in this dominion. May I say that I am shocked to find that the minister is capable of being shocked after all the evidence as to low wages and sweat shop conditions that has been brought to light in this country during the last year or so. I am afraid that the assurance of the minister that he will make efforts to see that fair wages are paid do not sound very convincing. I should like to know if the government would not consider setting a fair wage for this kind of work where no fair wage provision exists at the present time, or where the wages paid by any plant doing this work are not what the government think they should be. I should like the minister's opinion on that point.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I do not know what

power we would have to do that. Speaking generally the fair wage laws are enforced by the provinces.

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Angus MacInnis

Independent Labour

Mr. MacINNIS:

We have a minimum

wage law.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

That is true. I must confess that I do not know enough about it to argue the point, but my understanding is that the fair wage laws are enforced by the provinces. However, I repeat that I shall gladly do everything I can to see that those employed by the railways or by the equipment companies are paid fair wages, because with all due respect I submit that I am as anxious to see fair wages paid in this country as my hon. friend may be. I shall gladly do everything I can to see that there is fair play in this regard.

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Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS:

I just want to ask a question,

and at the same time I want to say that I am pleased to see that the hon. member for Frontenac-Addington (Mr. Campbell) does not agree with his seat mate the hon. member for South Perth (Mr. Sanderson). The hon. member has given an excellent statement of the history of the Canadian Locomotive Works. The statement has been made that one of these equipment companies was paying only sixteen or seventeen cents an hour. I give notice now that to-morrow I will ask the minister to tell me, if he has received the information from the hon. member from Vancouver South (Mr. Maclnnis), the name of the company paying this rate. I know that the company in Kingston does not pay any such wages. If the minister has not the information to-morrow I will ask him the next day, and I will keep on asking until I secure the name.

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Humphrey Mitchell

Labour

Mr. MITCHELL:

I can assure my hon. friend that it is not the Kingston plant, because I know the organization that exists in the locomotive works in Kingston.

Section,as amended agreed to.

Section 10 agreed to.

On section 11-Orders in council laid before house.

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Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

Since this is a general clause covering the entire bill1 I should like to ask the Minister of Public Works whether the tripartite agreement that formerly existed is still in force; in other words, is it permissible for a municipality to apply to the provincial government to have some particular work undertaken and for the provincial government to refer the application to the federal government in order to have that work done? I am receiving numerous demands for information on this subject and I should be extremely glad if the minister could give me a definite answer.

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Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

Any arrangement of that kind would be consummated under the provisions of the relief act rather than under this act.

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Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

Does that arrangement still exist?

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Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

That depends upon the readiness of the province to undertake a scheme of work of that kind. In some cases the provinces are not prepared to go into any such agreement; they prefer to receive a fixed allowance and take care of unemployment themselves.

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Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

That is exactly what I am trying to ascertain. In a province that has accepted a fixed allowance, say Quebec, with a fixed allowance of $500,000 a month, is it still permissible or feasible for any municipality to make application to the provincial government, and if it is recommended by the provincial government will it be considered by the federal authorities in the ordinary schedule approved by order in council, as in the past?

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Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

The matter will be considered, certainly.

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Section agreed to. Section 12 agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned without question put, pursuant to standing order.



Railway Equipment Contracts Tuesday, May 28, 1935


May 27, 1935