May 23, 1935

CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

The time 'has nothing to do with the matter. The rule says:

When several amendments are offered at the same place in a clause-

That is the case here exactly.

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Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I take that to be the chairman's ruling.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

Until something else comes before the chair, I shall have to rule that way.

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Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

If the chairman takes that position-and I regret he does so-it would appear from his ruling that what we now have before us is the amendment moved by the Minister of Public Works, which reads:

That section 2 of Bill 63 be amended by adding thereto the following-

And so forth. Is that it?

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

Yes.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I therefore move in amendment to the amendment of the minister:

That all the words after the word "provided" in the said amendment be struck out and' the following be substituted therefor:

That in all employment arising out of the execution of such works and undertakings, whether under contract or by day labour (a) those most in need and available shall have first benefits from the employment to be created:

(b) preference shall be given to unemployed and needy ex-service men and to unemployed and needy married men with dependents; (c) in no case shall discrimination be made in the employment of any person by reason of political affiliation, race, or religious views; (d) where such works or undertakings are of a local character and the expenditure involved does not exceed $25,000, all persons employed shall be residents of the locality in which the work is to be performed; (e) it shall be the duty of the minister concerned to see that the provisions of this section are complied with and, in respect of works or undertakings done under contract, he shall be entitled to cancel the contracts forthwith in the event of any breach of such provisions by the contractor.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

This is an amendment to the

amendment.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

This amendment provides

for help for the needy; therefore it shows the necessity of a classification of the unemployed according to their trades or previous occupation. That is why a member of the house spent the recess getting information on that and trying to tabulate it in order to inform every hon. member as to the number of men engaged in the building trades and other activities. This measure should not pass before that information is completed, in order that the minister may know better what the allocation of the various amounts for the relief of unemployment should be. At present the minister finds it difficult to tell the committee how it will be spent. I suggest that the minister wait until that classification is ready. There is a member of the house who gives nearly all his time to it, and it will be ready shortly. I ask the minister not to press for a vote until that classification is ready; then he will be in a position to inform the house as to his views on the matter. I offer that suggestion, which I am sure the minister will accept at once.

Amendment to the amendment (Mr. Power) negatived on division.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

The question is now on the amendment proposed by the Minister of Public Works.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

The Minister of Public Works surely cannot propose an amendment to his own bill.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

It was my mistake; it was proposed by Mr. Manion.

Questions

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I rise to a point of order. The Minister of Railways is in exactly the same position as the Minister of Public Works because it is pretty hard to know which minister will be in charge of the bill. I do not see how the Minister of Railways can move an amendment to his own bill, and all the ministers who may be responsible for some of the work are precluded from moving any amendment to the bill.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

As a matter of fact a

minister introducing a bill has a right to amend his own bill. I have on a number of occasions amended bills that I have introduced. It would be quite in order if the Minister of Public Works had moved the amendment.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Not in financial matters.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I moved many amendments to the Canadian National-Canadian Pacific bill in 1933, and it was a financial bill.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

It was by unanimous

consent.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

The bill is in the name of the

Prime Minister, not of the Minister of Public Works.

M,r. POULIOT: It makes no difference.

It is a matter of discretion, personal discretion. It is a very delicate matter. I do not see how the seven ministers who are supposed to be in charge of the bill can forget that at the present time. Who knows that all the works will not be for a certain time in charge of the Minister of Railways or of the Minister of National Defence or the Minister of Marine? And there are other ministers who .may come into the picture, perhaps even the ex-Minister of Trade and Commerce.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

Will the hon. member kindly state

his point of order?

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Yes sir, I will summarize it in a sentence or two. My point is that according to the rules of parliamentary institutions of Great Britain and other dominions a minister who is in charge of legislation cannot himself amend that legislation except by leave of the house. The eases that the Minister of Railways cited were cases when the leave of the house was granted. Sir, it seems to me that when a minister wants to change legislation that he has submitted to the house or the committee, the

amendment should be moved by one of his colleagues. The reason is this; when a minister comes with a bill the bill must be perfect so far as he can possibly make it so. It is the best effort of his brains, and though at times it comes from the clerks-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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May 23, 1935