May 23, 1935

LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

It does not say so.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

It said so.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Will you read it, please?

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

The motion is:

That section 2 of Bill 63 be amended by adding thereto the following:

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I submit that we cannot take that into consideration because there is already before the chair an amendment to section 2.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. MacDonald, Cape Breton):

I suppose it would be simply a matter of changing the wording.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

With the consent of the committee I would have the motion put into proper form to comply with the rules and have it read, "that all the words of the amendment after the word 'that' be struck out and the following substituted therefor." There are two ways of doing it, and one is to vote your amendment down and then vote on this one.

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Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I suggest also that there are two ways of doing it, one right and the other wrong, and apparently after a month's consideration the minister proceeds in the wrong way.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

Possibly so.

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Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

The minister agrees. I am not going to labour the point-some other hon. member may deal with it-but the fact remains that this is hardly a proper and appropriate amendment to the amendment because it does not in any way negative the amendment itself. I have not the rule of the house under my hand but it seems to me that this means the same thing as the amendment itself, although we cannot accept it on this side because it weakens the amendment. T suggest, Mr. Chairman, that you consider whether the fact that the amendment to the amendment does not negative the amendment moved by the hon. member for West Lambton (Mr. Gray) is not a proper point of order. While you are considering that I will proceed with my remarks on the minister's subamendment.

The amendment reads in part as follows: 92582-193

That section 2 of Bill 63 be amended by adding thereto subsection 2A:

2A. That in all employment arising out of the execution of such works and undertakings, whether under contract or by day labour (a) those most in need and available shall have first benefits from the employment to be created.

I submit that there can be no objection to that on the part of the minister or the contractors. There is nothing in this amendment which would hold up a contractor in the execution of his work. He would not have to go to Toronto in order to find a person in need to help him carry on work in Winnipeg. Any one in need and available will have the right to first choice.

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Mr. STEW ART@Leeds

What is meant by "available"?

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Mr. POT ER@

I have just tried to explain it persons available and at hand who could possibly be employed.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

Without regard to competency?

POWER: I would suggest that the word "available" would cover everything.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart (Minister of Public Works)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

Oh, no.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

If a carpenter was wanted they would not ask a lawyer to do the work; he would not be an available carpenter.

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CON

Ambrose Upton Gledstanes Bury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURY:

He might be a botch carpenter, and he would be utterly disqualified.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

A jackknife carpenter.

Mr. PO'WER: In that event the penalty, after all, would be in the discretion of the minister and it would not apply; whereas in the amendment to the amendment the words, "as far as practicable and consistent with reasonable efficiency and economy," give really no direction at all to the person in charge of the work to employ people most in need. You can always find reasons and excuses for saying that such and such a procedure would not be efficient or would not be economical. The idea behind this program, as I understand it, is not so much economy as the giving of employment. The principle which we have laid down is that employment shall be found. If we are to talk about economy then let us do it with the twenty cents a day labour as the government is doing in some instances; that would be really economical. But the intention is to give a fair chance to the people who are at present

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in need of employment and not to carry out these works in what might be the most economical manner possible.

Now as to section (b), preference shall be given to unemployed and needy ex-service men. I do not think that the preference question need be discussed very long; this lias been in our statutes since 1910. The house has unanimously on many occasions decided that the ex-service man shall have the preference. Here we are asking for a preference to unemployed ex-service men; next, to needy ex-service men; and then unemployed and needy married men with dependents. That is a direction which it should be comparatively easy for the foreman or the contractor to understand. As a matter of fact, I believe that at present, in his contracts with the contractor, the minister says that there shall be a reasonable quota. Personally I do not like the words "reasonable quota." That might mean one man out of many hundreds.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That

would not be reasonable.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Why not?

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CON

Martin James Maloney

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MALONEY:

One out of many hundreds?

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May 23, 1935