May 21, 1935

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

He is probably getting a good deal of riding from his own railway men because he blocked the bill and prevented men from getting work. He is just about as useful to the men up there in the railway shops as he is in connection with other matters in this house.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

What is the matter with the hon. member?

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I do not need any lessons in politeness from the big member from Quebec East.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

The race from which the hon. member for Quebec East comes is usually very polite; he is the exception.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

We brought in a bill having in mind the intention of relieving unemployment. Hon. members opposite held it up for three days before the house adjourned. They held it up, blocked it, kept it from going through. Since then we have had two days' debate. They spent all day yesterday and most of to-day talking about a tunnel for the city of Toronto, and yet we hear the hon. member for South Perth saying that they are not blocking it. They are certainly holding it up. If the bill goes through, the work goes on. Until the bill is passed the work cannot be begun; no part of it can be done. I do not understand how any hon. member opposite could stand up and say the opposition is not holding up the work when as a matter of fact they are holding up the bill. That is a statement of fact. Until the bill is passed no work arising from it can be done. So long as hon. members opposite continue to obstruct, the work cannot possibly go on.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

I want to remind the minister that on January 22, 193S, on the orders of the day, I put this question to the Minister of Railways:

Mr. F. B. Sanderson (South Perth): Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask a question of the Minister of Railways (Mr. Manion) based on a telegram I received this morning from the city of Stratford. It is as follows.

I shall not read the telegram, which is in regard to new equipment for the Canadian National Railways, but here is the answer of the Minister of Railways:

Hon. R. J. Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals): Well, Mr, Speaker, I do not think there is any answer coming to the hon. gentleman. The government, if it makes a decision on this question, will submit it to the house at the proper time.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

Yes, and they left that proper time until the day before the adjournment. I want to say this to the minister, and I say it with all respect, and I know what I am talking about. He says that I am getting a good deal of criticism from the railway men in the city of Stratford. No, I am not. But if there ever was a public man criticized in the city of Stratford by the employees of the railway it is the Minister of Railways, and I

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would not want to repeat that criticism; I could not because it would not be parliamentary.

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William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

But that is only part of the story, Mr. Chairman. The Minister of Railways was very much worried about the moneys which were voted for dredging. I interrupted him, and perhaps I should have begged his pardon for doing so, but I was trying to convey to him that the amount which he mentioned for the maritimes and other provinces was for the employment of government dredges. If the minister will take the estimates for this year -and this is in addition to the 82,500,000 for harbours and rivers under the special bill of last year, and in addition to the $2,500,000 which the minister now asks us to vote in blank for harbours and rivers-he will find that this year we have passed without any criticism for harbours and rivers generally in Nova Scotia, in addition to the other votes for Nova Scotia, the sum of 8250,000 for harbours and rivers generally in that province-that is for the same purpose as this 82,500,000-and $50,000 for Prince Edward Island. So last year and this we are voting for harbours and rivers generally, 85,000,000, plus $250,000 for Nova Scotia, plus $50,000 for Prince Edward Island. Surely if the Public Works department is efficient, if the engineers, whether it is the chief engineer at Ottawa or the other officials, are efficient, they should have been able to tell the Minister of Public Works before this house met in January exactly what they wanted by way of special votes during the year 1935. We had $2,500,000 in the special vote of $40,000,000 and three months ago we voted $250,000 for Nova Scotia, $50,000 for Prince Edward Island, and $100,000 for New Brunswick for harbours and rivers generally. These votes were for the same purpose for which we are being asked to-night to vote another $2,500,000. I should like to impress these figures upon the Minister of Railways and Canals. We voted $400,000 for Quebec, $200,000 for Ontario, $50,000 for Saskatchewan and Alberta and $100,000 for British Columbia. The Minister of Public Works, the deputy minister, the chief engineer, the secretary and the engineers in every province of this dominion were not satisfied; they thought that that was not enough and they put in another $25,000, making a total of $1,400,000. That is the amount voted three months ago to look after our harbours and rivers generally, yet the Minister of Railways and Canals now comes along and says we are blocking this bill. We voted $2,500,000 last year in the special vote of $40,000,000, and the minister has not seen fit to account for this expenditure. Three months ago we voted $1,400,000 in the general estimates, and because we have, according to the Minister of Railways, the audacity and

temerity respectfully to request the Minister of Public Works to account for this 82,500,000, the Minister of Railways and Canals gets up and says that we are blocking this bill and the money cannot be spent. Does the minister know that out of the $40,000,000 voted last year the government spent only $10,000,000? He can go and buy railway equipment if he wants to under peace, order and good government. Two years ago he ordered 50,000 tons of steel rails and they have not been used yet.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Oh, yes,

they have.

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William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

I know they have been taken from Sydney, but I am saying that they have not been used on the railroad.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

They have been used all over the system.

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May 21, 1935