May 21, 1935

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

In what way? I will say to the minister that not a single member of the Liberal party criticized the vote of $15,000,000, $8,000,000 going to the Canadian National Railways and $7,000,000 to the Canadian Pacific Railway-not one member.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

They blocked the whole bill, that is all.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

No, they did not. I take issue with the minister when he makes that statement. He is wrong when he says that, and he is deceiving the people of Canada when he tries to get that propaganda over.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Surely I do not understand English if I do not know what happened. Hon. members opposite held up the bill on the Wednesday the house adjourned. They tied it up, and prevented not only the giving of railway equipment orders, but the passage of the remainder of the bill. Is that not correct?

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

It was discussed three days -one day on the resolution and two days on the bill. My hon. friends opposite devoted their time to blocking the bill, and succeeded in blocking it. They blocked it; they held it up and they must take the responsibility so far for having held it up. Had it passed, equipment orders would have been under way almost a month ago. Not only equipment orders but a good deal of other work for which provision was made in the bill could have been proceeded with. None of the work

could get under way however until the measure passed. My hon. friend now talks as though the Minister of Public Works could have gone ahead with something which had not passed this chamber. I say the Minister of Public Works has no right to spend money or to call for tenders until this house has authorized the expenditure. The money was not passed because hon. members opposite blocked the bill. The hon. member for South Perth (Mr. Sanderson) helped to block it; he talked as much as anybody else. He gets up and talks a great deal about railway shops; he talks about the work which would have beeen given to the railway shops in Stratford. He held up the work which would have gone to those railway shops in Stratford.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

The hon. member who has just taken his seat held up the work which would have been given to his own railway shops, and he did that by blocking the bill. That was the policy adopted by the opposition when it proceeded to block the bill, and they are blocking it just as much right now. The bill has not passed, and until it does none of the money can be spent. Until the bill passes I say the opposition must take the responsibility for delaying the work and failing to relieve unemployment.

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Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Just one word: If there is one gentleman who is blocking this measure, it is the gentleman who is abusing hon. members on this side because they ask for information.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

I must take issue with the Minister of Railways and Canals when he states that other hon. members and myself have blocked the vote for the equipment. I say that statement is untrue. It is only bluff on the part of the Minister of Railways. Of course the Minister of Railways is very genial, very nice and very fine, but he is the biggest bluffer we have ever had in this House of Commons.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

I wish to say this to the minister: He states that the Liberal party-

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An hon. MEMBER:

You are a bluffer.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

Get up on your feet; I will take care of you a little later on. I want to ask the Minister of Railways and Canals one question. He states that on April 16 or April 17 the Liberal party blocked the vote for railway equipment. I would remind him of something which he must

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know very well, namely that from January 17, the first day this house met, I proceeded to ask him questions concerning railway equipment. Following that date I repeated my question on four occasions, and he replied that he did not know anything about it. He said the matter had never been considered.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I did not say any such thing. I said the very reverse of what the hon. member has just credited me with saying. As a matter of fact I said it was being considered. Of course, that is about as close to being correct as the hon. member ever gets.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

The minister may have said that it was being considered on the fifth occasion I asked him the question, but on the four preceding occasions he said it was not being considered.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I did not say that on any occasion.

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Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

To-night the minister states that because I brought the matter up I blocked the vote for equipment, and that consequently the railway men have not received work. That is untrue; it is absolutely untrue. If my remarks are unparliamentary the chairman may call me to order, but I do not propose to let the minister get away with a bluff of that kind.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

There is no bluff in anything I have said; it is merely a question of fact. Because the hon. member gets up and states that something I have said is untrue it does not necessarily follow that my statement has been untrue. The reason the hon. member is so hurt is that it is true. He is Deginning to get worried about the railway shops in Stratford.

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May 21, 1935