April 16, 1935

LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

I am in agreement with the remarks of the hon. member for Swift Current (Mr. Bothwell). May I observe that I am simply amazed at the attitude taken by hon. members in the far corner of the chamber who now object to this very important piece of legislation, but who voted for an adjournment of five or six weeks.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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LIB

John Vallance

Liberal

Mr. VALLANCE:

In view of the importance of the amendments suggested by the senate I believe this house should not be expected to accept them without first having the opportunity of discussing them in committee. The hon. member for Swift Current has pointed out the position in which the municipalities will find themselves. In one of the substituted sections I find the expression, "notwithstanding any law, whether statute or other, now in force or which hereafter may be in force in any province."

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

That is in the present act.

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LIB

John Vallance

Liberal

Mr. VALLANCE:

Yes, I know it is. This is one provision against which I protest most vigorously, and against which I raised my

voice previously. There have been exemption laws in some of the provinces, and I do not think the Canadian Farm Loan Act is worth the giving up of those laws. I was of the opinion that we should go into committee. It is impossible for me to state my objections unless we go into committee, because I have many questions I should like to ask the minister.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

First of all, may I say-

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Order.

The hon. member has spoken.

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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

That would be true, if the house wished to hold to the strict rule. I believe however that the hon. member for Acadia merely asked a question, and proceeded somewhat along the lines followed in the informal debate which took place last evening. With unanimous consent, I suggest he be allowed to continue.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

I thank you for your ruling. Mr. Speaker. On the former occasion I merely put a question to the Minister of Finance, and that was all; I did not make a speech. May I say first of all that the remarks of my good friend from Vancouver Centre are not worthy of consideration, so I shall pass on to something else.

My greatest objections to the amendments have been voiced by the hon. members for Swift Current (Mr. Bothwell) and South Battleford (Mr. Vallance). If these amendments are accepted, and more particularly the amendment which takes away the protection the farmers now have under provincial legislation, and the provision the effect of which is that when mortgages are placed upon farms, municipalities and school districts will not be able to collect taxes, then I must seriously object to this legislation.

I am sorry the Minister of Finance did not carry out what hon. members understood to be the agreement made yesterday, namely that we would move into committee to discuss the amendments seriatim. However, inasmuch as he has taken a different attitude I shall be content to point out the difficulties which many of us from western Canada who have had experience in municipal work have encountered in connection with the collection of taxes, in so far as loans under the soldier settlement board were concerned. I was reeve of a municipality for several years before coming to parliament, and as such was closely connected with municipal work. Then and since that time I have known of many school districts in which a large portion of the lands were held by

Farm Loan Act

returned soldiers operating under the soldier settlement scheme. It was found almost impossible to give education to the children in those areas because of the inability to collect taxes. The scheme tinder the present measure will be much larger and more ambitious than was the soldier settlement scheme, and, if the farmers take advantage of it, will eventually apply to many more farms. Consequently it will be very difficult for the municipalities and school districts to operate, if the land in question is not to be subject to provincial law when mortgages are placed upon it. So far as I am concerned I shall vote against the amendments not only because of the objections I have raised but because of further objections I have not stated.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

I was paired with the hon. member for Kent, Ontario (Mr. Rutherford). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan (Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

I was paired with the hon. member for St. James (Mr. Rinfret). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

Arza Clair Casselman (Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CASSELMAN:

I was paired with the hon. member for Sherbrooke (Mr. Howard). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

Franklin Smoke

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SMOKE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Temiscouata (Mr. Pouliot). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

I was paired with the hon. member for Cartier (Mr. Jacobs). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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CON

Robert King Anderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ANDERSON (Halton):

I was paired with the hon. member for Toronto West Centre (Mr. Factor). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

I was paired with the hon. member for Laurier-Outremont (Mr. Mercier). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
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LIB

Harry Butcher

Liberal

Mr. BUTCHER:

I was paired with the hon. member for Portage la Prairie (Mr. Burns). Had I voted I would have voted against the motion.

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CON

William Kemble Esling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ESLING:

I was paired with the hon. member for Yancouver-Burrard (Mr. Han-bury). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

Victor Clarence Porteous

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PORTEOUS:

I was paired with the hon. member for Southeast Grey (Miss Mac-phail). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

John Clarke Moore

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MOORE (Chateauguay-Huntingdon):

I was paired with the hon. member for Chicoutimi (Mr. Dubuc). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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CON

Ira Delbert Cotnam

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COTNAM:

I was paired with the

hon. member for Nipissing (Mr. Hurtubise). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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April 16, 1935