April 11, 1935

LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (West Edmonton) :

I do not think we would be delaying the bill by letting it stand over until Monday.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS
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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

I have no objection.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS
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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

-for the simple reason that the Senate will not meet until Tuesday, and if we dispose of the bill on Monday they will be in a position to take it up in the Senate on Tuesday in any case. I agree with the hon. member for Bow River (Mr. Garland). This looks pretty much like a Chinese puzzle to me and I would like to have time to give it some consideration. I move the adjournment of the debate.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS
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PRO

Archibald M. Carmichael

Progressive

Mr. A. M. CARMICHAEL (Kindersley):

May I ask another question of the minister before the debate is adjourned? In the bill it is mentioned that the loan provisions shall come into effect when royal assent is posted in the Canada Gazette. We are assuming royal assent will be given before we adjourn on Wednesday next. I wonder whether the minister between now and Monday, if he cannot do so now, could advise us when the bill is likely to come into operation. The reason I ask the question is that I have had a number of letters from farmers of my constituency who are very anxious to know when the bill will come into operation in Saskatchewan and what the procedure will be to make application for a loan. If the minister cannot answer that now, possibly between to-night and Monday he might give it consideration and be able to tell us on Monday when the bill will be in operation.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS
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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RHODES:

I can answer only by

courtesy of the chair and the house. The only answer I can give is this, that new machinery will have to be set up in Saskatchewan and in two other provinces, but the legislation will be brought into operation as speedily as we can possibly get the machinery working. That is the best answer I can give. I can give no answer now or on Monday as to the exact date.

Motion agreed to and debate adjourned.

Topic:   CANADIAN FARM LOAN ACT
Subtopic:   CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS
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PRIVILEGE-MR. STEVENS

CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (East Kootenay):

I apologize to the house for craving its indulgence for just one moment. There appears in to-night's newspapers a Canadian Press dispatch, and I am reading from page 21 of the five o'clock edition of the Ottawa Journal these words:

After his resignation, Mr. Stevens said, the Prime Minister divulged' to the public details of privy council discussions which is contrary, he claimed, to the oath of office.

I cannot conceive how anyone could have placed such words in my mouth. The nearest approach to them that I find in the Hansard report of my remarks is this:

I resigned for that purpose and for that reason, that the secret and private discussions of cabinet had been spread upon the pages of the press.

I wish to thank the house for this opportunity of making that brief denial or correction, because of the significance of the words which were wrongfully published.

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DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE


The house in committee of supply, Mr. Bury in the chair. Experimental farms, including investigations concerning plant diseases, $1,937,898.


UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Has the

minister given any further consideration to the suggestion that has been made so often in the house that one of these experimental farms should be put on an ordinary operating basis and that the minister should provide the house from time to time with information as to the possibility or otherwise of attempting to carry on an experimental farm under ordinary conditions? This suggestion, which as I recall it was made many years ago, would, if carried out, prove of immense value as a fair test of whether agriculture, at least in certain sections of the country, could be regarded as a profitable profession. It would certainly be a better means of informing governments of actual conditions than the varying reports on costs and so forth that come from all parts of the country. Has the minister given any consideration to this?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. ROBERT WEIR (Minister of Agriculture) :

I agree entirely with the hon. member for Bow River that it is very important as far as we are able to get accurate costs of production. It is the purpose on at least one farm, or possibly more than one, to carry out, in a little different way from what has formerly been the case, a scheme based on costs of production. But even in that case the hon. member will realize that there will be overhead expenses like those of a superintendent of the farm and perhaps a clerk to keep accurate costs. On such a farm, however, we shall be able to get accurate information as to the profit or lack of it in farming in the locality in which the farm is situated. At the same time surveys are being conducted of the costs of operation of farms in different localities throughout the country. But I agree with the hon. member that it is desirable so far as possible to get the most accurate information as to the cost of farming using the methods I believe the hon. member has in mind, advocated by the experimental farm system.

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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Has any

experimental work in that connection been so far undertaken?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

It is the intention

to undertake work of that kind in the new farm that we set up at Melfort, to make it as nearly as possible a farm operated by a fanner.

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UFA
CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Nothing except surveys of individual farms.

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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Can the minister give the committee any accurate figures on production costs based on the results so far secured in connection with the individual test farms that he is speaking about? Eor instance, can he give the cost of wheat?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Illustration station cost figures are published annually. There are several reports that deal with that. In addition, the head of the farm management department in the university of Saskatchewan, Professor Allen, has devoted a great deal of time to that, but I have not his report under my hand at the moment.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

He is doing it for the university?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Yes, it is outside the illustration farm system.

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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Yes, I have known for some years of Doctor Allen's work; it probably is the outstanding example of the thing we are trying to get. What he is doing is surveying conditions as they are to-day and basing conclusions on that. I believe he is now undertaking similar work for Alberta. But I was speaking of the type of farms to which the minister referred a minute ago.

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April 11, 1935