April 9, 1935

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Sit down.

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Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

I do not know what my hon. friend has to say, but I would invite him to go to his electors and say it there.

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Joseph Léonard Duguay

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DUGUAY:

I am ready to go at any time.

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Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

To sum it up, this government has been dead for a number of months. Not only is it dead, but there are no relatives left to fix the date of the funeral. We have to wait for the constitution to do that. When we asked the Minister of Justice (Mr. Guthrie) the position of the constitution in the matter of elections he said, " Well, on August 18 this parliament will not exist," but when we wanted to know further whether that meant we would have an election he said, " Well, there is nothing in the constitution concerning that." As an hon. member put it earlier in the afternoon, if we were to follow the reasoning of some hon. members opposite there would never be a general election.

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Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

That is Toryism.

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Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

Parliament is out, automatically, but that does not matter to them. That does not mean we must elect another one. It is out, that is all. Were it not for the fact that they need supply they would stay there forever. Of course the framers of the constitution never dreamed of a government attempting to remain in office after its powers had automatically ceased, and for that reason those framers forgot to remind such governments that when a parliament was completed it might be a good thing to elect another one. They forgot about that. We are here to remind the government of that fact. We want the elections to be held. We do not wish particularly to disrupt the plans of hon. members opposite; if the people want them-well, they deserve them, and that is all there is to it. We do not say that we are going to win; we simply say the people are entitled to make a choice. Yet the Minister of Justice states, "Well, parliament will be out automatically on August 18, but that is no indication that an election will follow." That is the way the matter stands. That is our grievance and the grievance of the Canadian people. We want to make sure that after that day the people of Canada will still be represented by a parliament of some sort. We want the government to tell us that instead of adjourning they are going to expedite the business of this session, and for the Canadian people we want the assurance-and the Canadian people may choose hon. members opposite; we never know-that on a certain day some group of members will be chosen. That is all we want to know.

I have still another point to make. The hon. member who preceded me in the debate stated, among other things, that in this debate we should not discuss other than the motion for the adjournment, and then the hon. member proceeded to speak about everything except that motion. I will admit, though, that he was replying to some hon. gentleman on this side of the house, and there is no doubt, Mr. Speaker, that when one is arguing that parliament should not adjourn it is quite in order to mention different matters that should receive the consideration of parliament.

My hon. friend quoted the Ottawa Citizen, and he went pretty far back, citing what the Citizen said in 1933. Well, I have here the Ottawa Citizen of 1935, for the third of April. What does it say? I shall not read it because I am not supposed to quote a newspaper, but I shall just refresh my memory by glancing at it once in a while. The Ottawa Citizen if I remember well, says that there is no

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shadow of an excuse for a performance such as we have now. It is speaking not of what happended three years ago but of what is happening now, and it says that there is not the shadow of an excuse for parliament carrying on the way it is. I shall be glad to hand this extract to the whip of our party if he is going to quote extracts in reply to my hon. friend from Dorchester. It will be a good companion to what we heard a moment ago.

The Ottawa Citizen also says, if I remember well, that there does not seem to be any special reason for keeping up this performance. That is exactly what we are arguing. But the Ottawa Citizen goes further, and goes a little too far I think, but sometimes the newspapers are a bit violent in their terms. The Ottawa Citizen, not of three years ago but three days ago, says that it is a crime against Canada to keep up this negative performance-^a crime against Canada. I think so too. Shakespeare has one of his characters speak of a Daniel come to judgment. It is a crime against Canada because a general election has to come eventually, and it is well for constituted authority in Canada that the people, who are in desperate circumstances cannot see this daily performance of futility in Ottawa because it would produce something like revolution. That is the Ottawa Citizen, the same paper that appeals to my hon. friend from Dorchester (Mr. Gagnon), but evidently he does not read it every morning, or perhaps he chooses only the editorials that suit him.

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Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

'He misses those that are against him.

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Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

I should enjoy very much going on, Mr. Speaker, but I think we are all anxious to vote, both those who think that parliament should work and those that think it Should not. I merely want to say in conclusion that the precedent of Kill cited by the Minister of Justice is not an appealing one to me. That was not an election year notwithstanding what the Minister of Justice said. It is true an election was held that year, but it was not an election year because the then parliament had run for only three years, and when Sir Wilfrid Laurier after presenting to the house his new measure of reciprocity asked for an adjournment that he might go to London, there was not much expectation at that time that that measure would receive the opposition that it did meet with when he came back. He came back, and what happened? There was opposition in this house and opposition in the country also. That is an example that we are very proud to cite to-day. Let the government do what Sir Wilfrid Laurier did. It is the very thing we

ask, because Laurier went to the people. He was defeated, it is true, but it was not an inglorious defeat.

We Liberals, as I said at the start, and I was not speaking in light fashion, do not want to wrest power from the people. We merely want the people to pronounce for themselves

__that is all. I know that that is not the

policy of the Conservative party. In 1896 parliament sat until the last minute of the last hour of the last day. In 1916 again a Conservative government extended the life of parliament for a whole year, and here we are in 1935 and we have not even the assurance that when the life of this parliament expires automatically, it will be immediately replaced. The whole purpose of the amendment that has been moved by the hon. member for Quebec East is to express the grievance of the Canadian people who want to choose a new government, who ask for that opportunity, and we are here voicing that desire of the Canadian people.

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Felix Patrick Quinn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. QUINN:

They are not represented by you.

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Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

Did I hear a sound from the other side? I shall vote, Mr. Speaker, to express the desire of the Canadian people and shall support with all my might the amendment that has been moved by my hon. friend from Quebec East.

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Joseph Léonard Duguay

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. L. DUGUAY (Lake St. John):

Just one word, Mr. Speaker, in reply to the hon. member for St. James (Mr. Rinfret). We will be frank enough to go to the people and tell them what our program is, but the hon. member for St. James did not dare go before the people of Montreal when he was mayor of that city.

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John Franklin White

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WHITE (London):

I was paired with the hon. member for Medicine Hat (Mr. Gershaw). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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Harry James Barber

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARBER:

I was paired with the hon. member for Humboldt (Mr. Totske). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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Harry Butcher

Liberal

Mr. BUTCHER:

I was paired with the

hon. member for Portage la Prairie (Mr. Burns). Had I voted, I would have voted for the amendment.

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Sidney Cecil Robinson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROBINSON:

I was paired with the

hon. .member for Portneuf (Mr. Desrochers). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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William Henry Golding

Liberal

Mr. GOLDING:

I was paired with the

hon. merhber for North Perth (Mr. Wright). Had I voted, I would have voted for the amendment.

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Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

I was paired with the hon. member for Cartier (Mr. Jacobs). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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Ira Delbert Cotnam

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COTNAM:

I was paired with the

hon. member for Nipissing (Mr. Hurtubise). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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George Manning McDade

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McDADE:

I was paired with the

hon. member for Laprairie-Napierville (Mr. Dupuis). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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John Clarke Moore

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MOORE (Chateauguay-Huntingdon):

I was paired with the bon. member for Chicoutimi (Mr. Dubuc). Had I voted, I would have voted against the amendment.

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April 9, 1935