March 27, 1935

CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Well, I am quite sure the

hon. gentleman will have to have a lot of money because he has not much of the other. I have sat in the house with the hon. gentleman for quite a few years. He is a'professor in one of the Quebec colleges and I have never heard him do more than utter some little insignificant interjections in this house. He seems to have a habit of interjecting rather insulting little remarks when I am on my feet and I just thought the next time he did so, I would tell him about it.

3. We preserved the credit of the dominion, the provinces and the railways. There is not one of the four western provinces that to-day would not have had to repudiate its debts, had it not been for this dominion government.

4. We put into effect the empire trade agreements with which I have dealt, and we also effected trade agreements with France, Poland, Germany, Austria and Brazil.

5. Then there was the wheat bonus and stabilization.

6. The establishment of the central bank.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Oh, oh!

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I do not know what the

hon. member for Vancouver Centre is laughing at. Foolish people may laugh at these things, but they cannot laugh them away. These are actual accomplishments, not something just put in books or in platforms. We established a central bank which my hon. friends opposite say they were always in favour of.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Not that kind.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I continue:

7. We had passed the Natural Products Marketing Act, and it is in effect.

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8. We put on the statute books the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act which is saving and will save thousands of the farmers of this country from foreclosures of mortgages.

9. We amended the Farm Loan Act and improved it.

10. We lowered the interest rates in this country. In all the nine years my hon. friends opposite were in power, interest rates remained the same.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

They went up.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

All right; some hon. members say that the rates went up. I will take their word for that; I do not remember about it. At any rate interest rates did not go down and we have brought them down. The interest rate in savings banks was lowered to two per cent and other interest rates followed suit.

11. We established a Canadian tourist bureau which every member in the house supported and praised.

Then there were the five pieces of legislation this year:

12. Unemployment insurance.

13. Eight hour day.

14. Six day week.

15. Minimum wage.

16. The economic council.

Out of twenty-four achievements by this government which I am mentioning here, there are fifteen which are all in accordance with progress and reform.

17. There is the setting up of the price spreads commission and there will be legislation submitted to the house when that commission makes its report.

18. Then there were loan conversions which the minister mentioned in the house of $1,100,000,000, bringing about a saving to the dominion by way of interest amounting to about $14,500,000.

19. There was a reversal of trade balances from $100,000,000 against us to $150,000,000 in our favour.

Finally there were the following in this budget:

20. An increase in the income tax on untamed incomes, that is on incomes from dividends and so forth. That is a redistribution of wealth.

21. There was the mines tax which was improved and raised, not lowered as has been suggested, and incidentally mining production is at a greater height than ever before.

22. A tax on gifts of any proportion has been imposed. That is another redistribution

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of wealth. These last three redistribute wealth and impose taxes on those best able to bear them.

Veritably this is a poor man's budget, one which taxes those who have and eliminates so far as possible in a time like this the taxes on the poor.

23. Then we cleaned up the railway mess with which question I have dealt sufficiently this afternoon.

24. Lastly we have under advisement the United States negotiation regarding a trade treaty.

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Wilfred Hanbury

Liberal

Mr. HANBURY:

"Advisement" is good.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

It is a good deal more

than the hon. gentleman did anyway. In that regard by the way, I have something here to show the type of campaign that is being carried on. I do not know whether the hon. member for Frontenac-Addington (Mr. Campbell) is in his seat, but on March 4 he made a speech regarding reciprocity and it is reported in the Toronto Globe of the same day. The report says:

Mr. Campbell saw marked evidence on the part of the Bennett government in its reciprocity proposals with the United States.

I do not understand that sentence.

During his by-election campaign last summer Mr. Campbell said he was taken severely to task by Hon. Doctor Manion for stating that he was in favour of reciprocal relations with the United States.

And he goes on:

Hon. H. H. Stevens, he said, had made a second trip into the riding in order to advise the electors not to support Campbell because he favoured reciprocity.

Well, I cannot speak for Mr. Stevens-he can speak for himself-at the same time I am sure he took no such attitude, and I know I did not. I never opposed reciprocity, even in 1911, so when the hon. gentleman says that I talked in his riding against reciprocity he just states what is not true. I do not accuse him of saying it intentionally, but he said it, and I say it is not true.

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Milton Neil Campbell

Mr. CAMPBELL:

I think the hon. gentleman in his excitement-

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Let the hon. gentleman* ask a question or make a statement, not a speech.

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Milton Neil Campbell

Mr. CAMPBELL:

The hon. gentleman and I met in joint debate at the nomination meeting in the by-election-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Let the hon. gentleman contradict me if he likes; at present I have

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a few minutes more. I make the statement here and now that I did not in any shape or form criticize him or anyone else for attempting to enter into reciprocity arrangements with the United States. I say further that in that same joint meeting to which he refers either he or the hon. member for Northumberland, Ontario, (Mr. Fraser), I forget which, made this statement on the platform, that President Roosevelt of the United States had said publicly that he would not deal with this government in regard to trade matters. I do not remember which one of them it was, but one of them said it, and he can deal with it when his turn comes. That is the type of campaign that is carried on against this government, based upon vilification, innuendo, abuse of the Prime Minister, a whispering campaign of the ugliest kind. I intend to correct it when the correction should be made.

I have dealt with our record to some extent. I say that we have given five years of progress and reform such as Canada has never had in its history. One hon. member of the third party in the southeast corner of this house -met me at the Royal York hotel in Toronto, when I was up there speaking for my hon. friend the member for Toronto East (Mr. Church) in his by-election campaign. This member said: "Manion, your government has given in the last session more progressive legislation than was ever brought in by any government in this country since confederation "

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I do not get the joke. The joke is on hon. gentlemen opposite, but they are getting into a habit, when they cannot talk of something unconstitutional, of laughing uproariously-the loud laugh that speaks the vacant mind, I suppose. Not long ago the hon. member for Shel-burne-Yarmouth called this progressive legislation tub-thumping, when the Prime Minister was speaking about improvement of the capitalistic system.

The Liberals have been opposed to everything ' that we have brought in of a progressive nature; they have either ridiculed it or opposed it as unconstitutional. Yet this session, although they ridicule and oppose it in argument, they always vote for it. The Liberal party in this house have been and are the party of reaction, the party of laissez-faire, the party of stand-patism, if they have any policy at all. No one has been able to see any sign of a policy as far as we can learn, no one has stated a policy for them except when my hon. and eloquent friend the member for Vancouver Centre

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(Mr. Mackenzie) gets up and waves his arms and tells us a few things. They claim they supported every one of these pieces of legislation when they were out of power; they put them in a book or in the 1919 platform. But no one reads the book, and the platform is forgotten even by them. They have had two good chances in recent months to state what they stand for, but no one knows it. I challenge them to tell the people what they stand for, if they stand for anything but reaction.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

They told it in the by-elections.

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

They held a large conference last November, and all we got was a speech on peace from the leader of the opposition. The other evening they gave the right hon. leader of the opposition a very fine dinner, and I congratulate both him and them on it. After all, the right hon. gentleman has given many years of service to his country, and it is only right that democracy should honour its leaders. I often disagree with the right hon. gentleman both in the house and out, but I respect him because I believe he sincerely endeavours to do what he believes best for his country; and I may add that it is the sincerest wish of my heart that his health may continue good so that he may continue for many years as leader of the opposition. He is sure of four more years anyway; I can vouch for that.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Give us a chance.

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March 27, 1935