March 22, 1935

DENIAL OF STATEMENT APPEARING IN PRESS CONCERNING PROGRAM IN ONTARIO LEGISLATURE

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, on a matter affecting the privileges of this house and a question of personal privilege I desire to direct the attention of your honour to an article appearing in the Ottawa Morning Citizen of March 22, 1935-to-day-headed as follows:

Leave separate school request over until fall.

Special session then will also deal with social reform program of Ontario government is report.

Revamped municipal taxation plan looms.

Say committee to study unemployment conditions after prorogation.

Then in brackets "(Special to the Citizen)". The article continues:

Toronto, March 21.-^Following a discussion with right Hon. W. L. Mackenzie King yesterday, Premier Hepburn has definitely decided to forego the separate school request for a share of corporation taxes and to postpone enactment of the extensive social reform program which he promised in the last election campaign, it was learned from sources close to the Ontario premier to-day.

All these measures will await special session of the Ontario legislature which Mr. Hepburn will call as soon as the dominion election is over, it is said. Before the house adjourns, a special committee of the legislature will be appointed which will make a study of unemployment conditions, provincial and municipal taxation, and' social reforms.

Then a little farther on in the same article.

At his conference with the dominion Liberal leader yesterday, it is reported-

Referring to Mr. Hepburn-

-he was assured of a much larger contribution to unemployment relief should the Liberals be returned to power in the general election.

May I say, Mr. Speaker, that when the Hon. Mr. Hepburn and some of his colleagues did me the honour of attending a dinner tendered me by the Liberal party the night before last at the Chateau Laurier I met Mr. Hepburn during the course of the evening. The only conversation I had with Mr. Hepburn while he was in Ottawa was at the dinner table itself and at no time in conversation did Mr. Hepburn make any mention to me or did I make any mention to him of any matter connected with any "separate school request for a share of corporation taxes" or with respect to any "social reform program" of the Ontario government, or with respect to the question of unemployment relief.

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An hon. MEMBER:

What did you talk about?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I wish to say-

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Otherwise the report is correct?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I wish to say, Mr. Speaker, that the statements in these particulars contained in this article are wholly false, untrue, misleading and without any foundation, also that, as a matter of fact, at the present time I have no understanding or agreement with any" leader of any provincial party in any of the provinces of Canada, whether he be in office or out of office, as to what will be even considered, let alone done, by the Liberal party, should the Liberal party be returned to office as a result of the next general election. I have never had any understanding or agreement of the kind with any provincial leader at any time, and so long as I am the leader of the Liberal party in Canada there will not be any understanding or agreement of the kind, other than what is declared publicly from the platform as part of what would be government policy. I should regard any course such as indicated in this article as being reprehensible and dishonourable, and I hope I would not be thought capable of anything of the kind.

May I say I have made inquiries as to the source of this article, and I learn that a similar article appears in this morning's issue of the Toronto Mail and Empire, sent by that paper's

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correspondent from the press gallery here. I understand the Hon. Mr. Hepburn has issued a statement in Toronto in which he categorically denies the statement which appears in the Mail and Empire of that city, and which was similar in effect to the statement I have read. May-I say if it were not for the fact that I have no desire to embarrass any member of the press gallery I would ask this House of Commons to appoint a committee to inquire into the source of this article, because it is perfectly apparent as the matter stands that it is in the nature of party political propaganda, and as such is both reprehensible and dishonourable.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

MOTION FOR SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER TO PERMIT PRESENTATION OF BUDGET SPEECH

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Right Hon. S@

That the provisions of standing order 28 respecting the committee of ways and means be suspended for this day.

He said: This is to permit presentation of the budget.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Shall the motion have the unanimous consent of the house?

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Hon. J. L. RALSTON (Shelburne-Yar-mouth):

Mr. Speaker, just before the motion is put I hope that it will be satisfactory to the government, after the hon. Minister of Finance (Mr. Rhodes) has concluded hia speech on the motion for the committee to go into ways and means, for the debate to be resumed on Tuesday.

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George Halsey Perley (Minister Without Portfolio)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

That is satisfactory.

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Motion agreed to.


KINGSTON PENITENTIARY

STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF JUSTICE AS TO DISTURBANCE CREATED BY PRISONERS


On the orders of the day:


CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Minister of Justice):

Mr. Speaker, last night before adjournment a question was asked in the house during my absence with regard to a disturbance that occurred yesterday among some prisoners at Kingston penitentiary. I regret to inform the house that there was a disturbance yesterday afternoon in Kingston penitentiary, and from the reports that have so far come to hand I may tell the house that it occurred just at the time of the closing of the shops in the

institution, a minute or two before five o'clock. In the west shop block eighty-three prisoners were employed. At closing timethese men are marched back to the mainprison. Twenty-five of the eighty-three had been marched back when a halt was made with the remainder, and they immediately seized the three guards in charge of the men, searched their packets, took from themmatches, lighters and keys, immediately

closed the main door and proceeded to barricade it with material that was at hand or taken from other rooms.

The west shop block contains the tailor shops on the ground floor; the shoemaking shop on the second floor; and part of the second floor which is called the north end is to be used as a new shoemaking shop in the future but it is not yet equipped.

When the guards were seized they were taken to the basement of the block and held there for a time, and their arms and legs were tied. They were subsequently removed to the second floor, to the unoccupied room which I have described as the new Shoe factory. Fourteen prisoners went down into the basement and barricaded the door there, and the remaining forty-four went upstairs to this vacant shop block.

A good deal of the machinery in the tailor shop was destroyed; the damage to the machinery is estimated to be $2,000. More damage was done in the shoe shop on the second floor. There a fire was started, and there is damage by fire and smoke and by water and also from broken machinery, which cannot yet be estimated.

The barricade of the doors kept up until the doors were forced open from the outside. I believe they are metal doors and had to be cut. When the outside guards arrived they went down into the basement, found the fourteen prisoners who had gone into the second floor room, and found the forty-four prisoners and the three guards. The disturbance seems to have quieted down very quickly after that. By six-thirty the prisoners were all back in the main prison and in their cells, but the fire had gained considerable headway, and lest it should spread it was thought better to call on the Kingston fire brigade, which immediately sent a detachment to the scene and extinguished the fire. The fire was all out I believe at about eight p.m.

Three prisoners were slightly injured. One had his lip cut, necessitating two stitches from the surgeon, one had an eye injured, which had to be dressed, the injury being very slight,

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and one had his fingers cut. From the report of the surgeon I gather that all these injuries were inflicted by prisoners upon prisoners. It is estimated, so far as one can at the moment, that probably thirty to thirty-five prisoners were engaged in this disturbance. The rest were there and they seemed reluctant.

No cause can yet be assigned for the trouble. The warden happened to be at penitentiary headquarters yesterday, but as soon as he learned by telephone of the outbreak he immediately returned to the penitentiary. He reported between eight and nine o'clock that all was quiet, that a count had been taken, that all the men were in their cells and the fire was out. To-day he is holding an investigation. The shops were not open this morning but I expect they are this afternoon. It is possible that during the course of the day I shall receive a further report.

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UNIVERSITY OF MONTREAL


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. VINCENT DUPUIS (Laprairie-N.apierville) (Translation):

I have a question to direct to the ministers from the province of Quebec. Yesterday, during the discussion on Bill No. 41, the hon. member for Berthier-Maskinonge (Mr. Barrette) delivered an eloquent speech on behalf of the University of Montreal, and he asked the Minister of Labour (Mr. Gordon) to devote to that institution a part of the relief money. Would the French-speaking ministers inform me whether the hon. member for Berthier-Maskinonge (Mr. Barrette) approached them on that subject, and whether they have submitted the question to the cabinet in order to get a favourable answer. Might we expect that answer soon?

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March 22, 1935