March 21, 1935

CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

Carried.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Nio, sir; I want an answer. I want to know what the Prime Minister meant, because he is the superhead of the Department of Labour; he is the superhead of any department of the government, and fMr. Pouliot.]

the information he had is the information the minister should now have. Therefore if the Prime Minister had it the Minister of Labour should have it, and especially when he has in front of him not only his deputy but also the gentleman in charge of ^relief. If he does not know, his deputy should Know, and if his deputy does not know, the head of the relief branch should know. If no one of the trinity knows, then let us dispense with them.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Smith, Cumberland) :

Carried?

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

No. I shall give due time to the minister to answer, but I want an answer and the country wants an answer.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

William John Loucks

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LOUCKS:

How do you like the way you are getting it?

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

There is no answer.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

No answer.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

No.

Mr. POUiLIOT: I have more to say to

you. Hansard is recording the fact that several times the minister has not answered this very pertinent and legitimate question.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I am waiting until the

hon. member gets through.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I sat down four times.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

The hon. member for

Temiscouata wants me to state whether or not on an occasion in the past the Prime Minister was telling the truth. I believe in substance I have stated his question. All I can say is that I have known the Prime Minister for about thirty years, and my relations with him in the past five years have been rather intimate. From my acquaintanceship with him I would say he is a man who sticks religiously to the truth in all matters. I have no objection to making any possible explanation with respect to the matter of registration, about which the hon. member has quite properly asked. In 1931 even before the census was completed the provinces were asked by the dominion to make a registration such as the hon. member for Temiscouata has suggested. Ontario made a registration, and it was disclosed that in the registration made by that province school children and everybody went on the registration list. People came in from the country and registered in the city purely for the purpose of getting on relief. When that was made abundantly plain the province notified the dominion that the registration made was of little value. I think they said we could safely divide it in half.

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The province of Quebec would not make a registration because the premier of that province said that in his judgment it would only be an open invitation-I think I am not overstating the case-to make the registration that was suggested. I do not think a registration ever was made in that province. One or two of the smaller provinces made a registration, not a complete but a partial one, and they give us the benefit of the information they obtained. That is the situation. We rely, and must of necessity rely, upon the provincial machinery for information of that kind other than the information which is collected by the Labour department through the agency of the trade unions.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

Is there any registration in Ontario?

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
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CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Not at the present time.

I have just been explaining that they tried to make a registration that would be helpful but it was found to be entirely inaccurate for the reasons I have indicated. That is the situation so far as registration is concerned. I think that what the hon. member for Temis-couata has suggested is quite a sound thing if it could be done, and we have repeatedly asked the provinces, being constantly in contact with their people, particularly in connection with the administration of relief, if they could devise some scheme whereby a continuous registration could be available. They say they cannot, and I can well understand that there would be grave and serious difficulties in the way of doing it. That is what has been attempted, and that is what has been the result.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I thank the hon. gentleman, but first I wish to tell him that I did not say that the Prime Minister did not tell the truth. Otherwise I would not have asked him that question. It was because I believed the Prime Minister was telling the trutih that I asked the question, and again I thank the hon. gentleman for the explanation he has just given to the house and the country. The minister says that my suggestion, although good, is not practical from a certain point of view because the federal government can get that information only through the provinces.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Except the information

we get from the census.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Oh yes, but that is an old story. To come down to modem history, to the number of unemployed at the present time and their classification by trade or profession, it is very easy to gather that information, and

if there is to be an interprovincial conference this important question should be brought before the provinces in order that the country may be well posted on it. May I say to the minister that prominent members of the St. Vincent de Paul Society have told me that the information could be secured within twenty-four hours, that it was there and had only to be compiled. That information could also be secured, not through trades unions, but by charitable organizations like the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and the St. Vincent de Paul Society which I have already mentioned. Therefore in the interests of the country I now ask the Minister of Labour to take due steps to have the unemployed classified. It would serve the government well because as soon as that classification is made the governments, whether federal or provincial does not matter, and I use the plural intentionally, will be able to distinguish between those who are really unemployed and those who take advantage of relief in order to get assistance to which they are not entitled. The saving of money thus made would compensate for any expense that might be incurred in making such a classification. I cannot close my brief remarks without thanking the minister for his answer. It has taken me a long time, five years, to get that answer from him, but at last to-night I have got it, and I am satisfied he is now on the right path and I hope he will continue in it.

Topic:   UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic:   FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURES, MEETING FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AND MAINTAINING CREDIT OF DOMINION AND PROVINCES
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Preamble agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time, on division, and passed.


RAILWAYS AND CANALS


The house in committee of supply, Mr. Morand in the chair. Miscellaneous- To assist in promoting tourist business in Canada, $200,000.


CON

Alfred Burke Thompson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOMPSON (Simcoe):

Before this vote is carried I should like to say a few words, and first of all I should like to congratulate the Minister of Railways upon his very able presentation of the case for Canada as a country offering many attractions to the outside tourist. I think the whole country owes a debt of gratitude to Hon. Mr Dennis, Senator from Halifax, because it was upon his initiative that the Senate appointed a special committee last session to inquire into the possibilities of the tourist traffic and to ascertain what steps could be taken to encourage and develop this traffic. As a result

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of the work of that committee a publicity department was established, from which excellent results are to be expected.

Among the facts brought out by the committee was that in 1929, the last year in which good times prevailed in the United States, Canada received a revenue of $310,000,000 from the outside tourist trade. Those who have made a study of this matter anticipate that when times once more become normal the trade will provide a revenue of $500,000,000. I think that this is the opportune time to make a special drive for this trade. It is said that 20,000/300 people visited the Chicago fair in 1933, with possibly a like number in 1934. It is natural to expect that many of these people will be looking for a new place in which to spend their vacation this year, and there is no country with the attractions of Canada. If a special drive is made immediately we could expect a large share of this trade. The whole dominion is interested in this question, but Ontario is particularly interested because of its proximity to the more populous centres of the United States. In addition our province has the added advantage of good roads and easy access by rail and water.

There is no trade or industry-I think we can call it that-which provides such general and in some cases generous benefits. Practically all classes of the community receive benefits from this trade. The hotel keeper, the boarding house keeper, the merchant, the garage man, the mechanic, the cook, the guide, the boat livery man, the farmer and the market gardener all receive direct benefits from this trade, and through them the benefits are spread to all classes in the community. Large sums of money have been spent upon our railroads and highways, and if this tourist traffic is encouraged we will be able to obtain some return on our investment. Those who have spoken before me on this question have laid before the house some of the special attractions which their particular province or constituency possesses, and perhaps I may be allowed to do the same thing.

I consider that my riding of East Simcoe possesses unique advantages because of its history and scenery. The history of this riding goes back to 1615 when Champlain, that great adventurer from France, journeyed up the Ottawa river, passed into lake Nipis-sing, came out into Georgian bay, then down to Penetanguishene, finally landing at Orillia. He wintered there in anticipation of joining the Huron Indians on a warlike expedition against the Iroquois. Through the public spirit which is characteristic of them, the

citizens of Orillia have erected a monument to the memory of Champlain which is said to be the finest of its kind in Canada. This was made possible only after a considerable expenditure of time and money, aided by contributions from the dominion, Ontario and Quebec governments. Every year thousands of tourists from Canada and the United States visit Orillia in order to view this monument.

I suggest to the minister that in any publicity issued in connection with the tourist traffic particular mention should be made of this monument.

Adjacent to the town of Midland is a martyr's shrine erected to the memory of those heroic Jesuit missionaries, Fathers Brebeuf and Lallemant, who were taken captive by the Iroquois and so cruelly tortured to death. This shrine is a most attractive spot for tourists from Ontario, Quebec and the United States, and I think it should be emphasized in any publicity which is issued.

Penetanguishene celebrated its tercentenary in 1919, a delay of four years having occurred because of the war. The chiefs of the Huron and Iroquois tribes were invited to be present, and they met and smoked the pipe of peace and entered into what is hoped will be a lasting treaty. During the war of 1812 Penetanguishene was selected as the proper place for the establishment of a naval and military station. At the conclusion of the war the American war vessels Tigress and Scorpion, which were captured from the Americans at Mackinaw, were sunk. Recently one of them has been brought to the surface and provides an object of great interest to American tourists. So much for the historic points in my riding.

I shall deal now with the points of special scenic beauty. My riding lies at the gateway of the thirty thousand islands of the Georgian bay. This area has recently been made a national park by the dominion government. The trip from Midland to Parry Sound through the inside channel is said to be the finest trip of its kind in Canada. I suggest to hon. members that if they want to see something of the beauties of Ontario they should take that trip. In addition to the wonderful trip among the thirty thousand islands we have the Severn river which forms the northern link of the Trent waterways connecting Georgian bay with lake Couchiching. Thousands of tourists spend the summer there and there is room for thousands more. I have mentioned briefly a few of the attractive points in my riding and I am sure I voice the views of my constituency when I say that we are heartily in favour of this vote.

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Topic:   RAILWAYS AND CANALS
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March 21, 1935