March 20, 1935

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Right Hon. S@

May I ask to what page of Hansard my hon. friend refers?

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Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I do not know the page, but the motion passed the house on January 28.

Prince Edward Island Potatoes

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PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND POTATOES


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Alfred Edgar MacLean

Liberal

Mr. A. E. MacLEAN (Prince):

I should

like to direct a question to the Minister of Railways (Mr. Manion). Owing to the fact that a large portion of the potato crop in the province of Prince Edward Island and the other maritime provinces has not been marketed as yet, requests have been made to the railway authorities for a special rate to enable this crop to be moved in the next two months. I should like to ask the minister if any representations have been made to him and if he would be good enough to use his influence with the railway board to endeavour to have this rate put into effect?

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Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. J. MANION (Minister of Railways and Canals):

Of course as the hon. gentleman well knows the matter of railway rates is entirely in the hands of the railways and the board of railway commissioners. I shall gladly draw his remarks to the attention of the railways, at any rate, because they would be the first to deal with the matter. I believe I have had some letters in this connection from certain organizations, and that I have already drawn the matter to the attention of the railways. While I am on my feet I might point out to the hon. gentleman that the same request comes from all sections of the country in connection with commodities other than potatoes. Each section that has a surplus, or thinks it has, expects a special rate on that particular product, and I am continually receiving letters of this kind from various sections of the country. All I can do is forward them to the railways for whatever action they may see fit to take.

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KINGSTON PENITENTIARY

ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING STATEMENTS ATTRIBUTED TO INSPECTOR DAWSON


On the orders of the day:


PRO

Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss AGNES MACPHAIL (Southeast Grey):

Before the orders of the day are called I want to refer to a statement made yesterday by the Minister of Justice (Mr. Guthrie). On March 18 I made a statement in the house which is to be found at page 1786 of Hansard to the effect that Inspector Dawson interviewed convict No. 3033 in the lecture room of the administration building at Kingston penitentiary between 11.40 and 2.15 p.m., and that during the interview he used abusive and profane language in regard to myself and said that after he had finished his inspection I would not be

able to lift up my head in the House of Commons again. The information was supplied to me by convict No. 3033, who has served his full time and is now at large, and who is prepared to swear to the statement in any inquiry.

I was not in the house when the Minister of Justice replied yesterday, though I was in the house just a few moments later. Of course I was not in at the correct time, and I am not in the least blaming the Minister of Justice for the fact that I was not here. He said in part:

While the return went lip to April 8, 1934, on April 9 Inspector Dawson had an interview with prisoner 3033 in the penitentiary. I have made a pretty full inquiry in regard to this matter since yesterday, and I find that Inspector Dawson went to the penitentiary to make an inspection and report respecting a certain matter which had been referred' to him. After he had concluded his inspection on April 8, an interview was requested by prisoner 3033 and it is during the course of that interview

I want to refer particularly to the next sentence:

*-I think it is alleged by the hon. member for Southeast Grey that certain aspersions were made against her character as stated by her yesterday.

I repeat what I said previously; I stated that Inspector Dawson used abusive and profane language in regard to myself. Honour lies within; my character is in my own keeping. I am not even concerned about what Inspector Dawson thinks of it, or anyone else for that matter. Then the Minister of Justice went on to say:

I can assure her that there is no foundation for the report. The inspector himself made no report on this interview.

That is interesting. I asked for three copies of the new penitentiary rules and regulations, which I have not received as yet though I understand the superintendent -of penitentiaries wrote a memorandum in that regard last Saturday. Here was an interview that lasted for hours but no report has been made concerning it. I quote again:

When inspectors or superintendents visit a penitentiary, they have a large number of requests for interviews, but they do not make specific reports in regard to them.

However Inspector Dawson has assured me most definitely that during his interview with prisoner 3033 the name of the hon. member for Southeast Grey was never mentioned by him or by the prisoner, there was no comment whatever in regard to her, and I can assure her on the word of honour of the inspector that there is no foundation for the allegation which she has made.

Kingston Penitentiary

May I say frankly that I do not accept the word of honour of Inspector Dawson, I shall tell hon. members why. For many years I have been interested in the reform of our penal institutions-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss MACPIIAIL:

Very well, I shall make those remarks later.

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Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Why not continue, it is all right. Go ahead.

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Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss MACPHAIL:

-to the end that they would reform prisoners, since 73 per cent of out prison inmates return again to imprisonment. Particularly have I been interested in penal reform that the public might be protected against embittered men who have gained their release and constitute a grave menace to society. With that in mind I visited Kingston penitentiary. I had been making a speech at Queens university on Friday, February IS, and in the late forenoon of February 16, I visited Kingston penitentiary.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I do not wish .to interrupt the hon. member, and particularly when she is speaking on a matter of privilege. She will, of course, have the very widest ruling in the matter, but after all I should like to know what the question of privilege may be; it has not yet been raised. Would the hon. member kindly .come to the question of privilege.

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Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss MACPHAIL:

It is difficult to state the question without showing why I do not accept the word of Inspector Dawson.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

After all, if that is the point upon which the hon. member has risen, I believe she should so state, and set it out without going into further detail. I am sure the hon. member, in view of the wide experience she has had in parliamentary matters, will realize that she is not entitled to make a speech on .the matter at the present time. I am sure, moreover, that she has no desire to do so. Therefore I would ask her to be good enough kindly to state the question of privilege.

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Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss MACPHAIL:

I could not hear the last part of your observations, Mr. Speaker.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I said that I would ask the hon. member to be good enough to state the question of privilege. The hon. member has not the right on an occasion such as this to set forth the reasons why she does not believe so and so. If she wishes to state she

does not, well and good, but she should not give any further amplification. I must ask the hon. member kindly to state the question of privilege, and to confine her remarks to that.

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Agnes Campbell Macphail

Progressive

Miss MACPHAIL:

I should think that when the Minister of Justice states that no statement was made regarding me in abusive and profane language, and when I believe such a statement was made, on a matter of privilege I should be permitted to state why I hold that belief.

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March 20, 1935