March 11, 1935

CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

The dominion government is not engaged in reforestation, that being a responsibility of the various provinces. I believe we do use small quantities, but they are so small as to be almost negligible.

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Frederick William Gershaw

Liberal

Mr. GERSHAW:

There happen to be

in my constituency two national parks, which come under this department, and I find that there have been a great many complaints about the way those in charge of the parks manage them. They are supposed to be antelope reserves, but those in charge appear to have large herds of cattle and large bands of horses inside the reserves; consequently the grass is all eaten down. The neighbouring ranchers are very short of grazing areas, and they find themselves at

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a great disadvantage as compared with the managers of the parks. Have these managers the sole grazing privileges in the parks?

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Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

I understand that the

parks to which the hon. member refers are Wawaskesy and Nemiskam?

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Nemiskam is purely an

antelope park in which the dominion government have impounded the pronghomed antelope, which I believe is the only herd of its kind so confined in Canada, if not in North America. This area is fenced, and I do not think the cattle of settlers could enter that park because of the very high strong wire fence surrounding it. Wawaskesy, on the other hand, is an open range, and certain settlers have the privilege of pasturing a certain number of cattle on it. The park is now in charge of a caretaker who has the responsibility of issuing the permits and seeing that the area is not overgrazed.

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LIB

Frederick William Gershaw

Liberal

Mr. GERSHAW:

The complaint seems to be particularly in regard to the last named park; it is said that the caretaker uses all the territory for his own stock. However, I would like to ask the minister if he intends to have an open season this year for the shooting of antelojpe.

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

This matter was drawn to my attention some time ago and we have arranged to have the inspector of the soldier settlement board investigate the charges and communicate with the municipal authorities in that area, who I believe made the complaint in the first instance. The report has not come in as yet, but when it does I shall take such steps as are necessary under the circumstances. In reply to the last question I may say that no permission to shoot antelope will be given at least for this season.

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UFA

Alfred Speakman

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPEAKMAN:

Just what are the functions of these forest experiment stations? Are they purely experimental or do they include a certain amount of distribution?

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

They are purely experimental, carrying on studies of the rates of growth of the various species and in fact the whole science of silviculture.

iMr. SPEAKMAN: Any distribution of forest products, then, that is carried on in those branches is under the Department of Agriculture?

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Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Yes, that is correct. We make no distribution from our experimental stations.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

Has the minister received any representations in the last year in regard to the taking over of Garibaldi park in British Columbia, and what is the policy of the department in that regard?

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Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Yes, representations have been received this year, as in other years, in regard to the taking over by the dominion of Garibaldi park in British Columbia. If my memory serves me correctly the hon. member placed a question on the order paper which the Prime Minister answered. The answer at that time was in the negative; and the same answer applies now.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Is it the intention of the government to establish a national park in the province of Nova Scotia, and if so, when and where?

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Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Representations have

been made by the province of Nova Scotia over a period of some months. Following those representations and an exchange of correspondence a survey of the different areas in Nova Scotia was made by an officer of the Department of the Interior, but so far no decision has been made and the matter is still under consideration.

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Northern Cape Breton, Yarmouth county and Blomidon peninsula.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

It is quite evident that the minister or his officials do not know the beauty spots of Nova Scotia. I can understand, of course, that Yarmouth county, and Blomidon, which is in the constituency of the hon. member for Hants-Kings, would come under review, but I must observe that there is a most beautiful situation in the county of Guysborough which forms a natural park. Before the minister makes a final decision I would suggest that he send his officials to that county. In fact if he is serious about the matter I am surprised he has not sent his officials to the county of Guysborough before this, because I may say to him there is no part of Nova Scotia where the beauties are so natural as they are in the particular part which I have the honour to represent.

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

From what little I have seen of the province of Nova Scotia I am sure it must contain many beauty spots, and I am certain, too, that the inhabitants of that beautiful province would consider that any area within its borders would be suitable for a national park. May I say however

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that before a park can be established it is necessary for the province in which the park is to be located to donate the park area to the dominion government. Instructions were issued to our official to inspect the areas the provincial authorities had signified a willingness to donate to the dominion as a national park. If the hon. member feels special attention should be given to the area he has the honour to represent I would suggest that in the first instance he make his representations to the government of Nova Scotia. Then if they are so minded they will make proper representations to the dominion, at which time we could make our inspection. Until that action is taken, however, I am afraid no inspection will be made.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Does the minister mean to say that the province of Nova Scotia made representations to him in which they named three points at which national parks could be established, namely in Yarmouth, Blomidon and Cape Breton? I cannot understand that. I have no influence with the government of Nova Scotia; in fact to be quite candid I am opposed to a national park in that province. It seems to me the minister would be well advised to forget the whole business. We have no need of a national park. We will cut our trees down and sell them under the British empire trade agreements, the marketing act, or some other agreements. We need all the money we can get, and instead of making a playground we want to get work for the people. We do not want parks into which the automobile drivers may drive their cars, have picnics and set fire to the woods of the province. Of course if there is going to be a national park I would suggest that my constituency is the most beautiful in the province, but may I add that my advice would be that the minister forget all about it.

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March 11, 1935