March 11, 1935

LIB

Peter John Veniot

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

Have any steps been taken by the biological board in the matter of research in the bay of Chaleur for the development of scallop beds in that section of the province?

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CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Information is not being

sought by the biological board at the present time, but of course, as the hon. member will recall, investigational work has been done in the past by the department in that area, and the results of that investigation were then published.

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Item agreed to. To provide, subject to the approval of the governor in council, for a grant to the United Maritime Fishermen, $4,060.


IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

This vote is for a very worthy purpose. Last year when it was being discussed the then acting minister promised me, in answer to a question, that he would grant a similar vote to the fishermen of British Columbia if we recommended a suitable association qualifying in the same way as this one does. Two weeks ago I presented such an application to the minister. I do not think I had a reply but I trust he will consider the matter and possibly put an item in the supplementary estimates. The association I recommended was the largest one in British Columbia, one of long existence and considerable reputation. You have only to look up Hansard to see that the minister defintely said that if we put forward a claim of that kind it would be favourably considered.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

If the minister is considering grants to associations they should all be taken care of. One is not more important than another. Far be it from me to raise any sectional or constitutional cry, but the Pacific coast has been rather neglected as regards assistance to fishermen's associations. I do not need to point out any difference in importance as between British Columbia and the maritimes; one is as important as the

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other. But if grants are to be given to one, all fishermen's organizations, provided they are functioning legitimately and in good condition, should have their applications for grants favourably considered. I have in mind the fishermen's protective association on the Fraser river at two points, one above and one below the bridge. I believe the active membership is over one thousand, and I ask the minister to give consideration to that association also.

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IND
CON

Grote Stirling (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

The hon. member will probably realize that in the maritimes there is one fishermen's association which can speak with one voice for the fishermen there. A practical difficulty occurs to me that on the Pacific coast there is a considerable number of fishermen's associations, and if an application came in from one of them, applications from all the rest should certainly be considered at the same time. This might add to the government's difficulties in making a decision. Of course the door is never closed to the consideration of applications that may come in, but I cannot go further than to say that consideration will be given.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Possibly the minister has answered himself. The reason why there is only one association in the maritimes is the grant given; it has amalgamated them into one and it was used for that purpose. At one time there were scores of these petty associations, and the very fact that such a grant was forthcoming and that by their coming together in one united body they could obtain it, encouraged them to cooperate. As regards any difficulty as to which society or association in British Columbia should get the grant, I do not think the minister would find us petty in that connection. I would suggest giving it for this year at any rate to the largest one, and as the one I recommended happens to be not only the largest but the oldest in that province, dating back I think some twenty years and having a good record as the deputy minister knows, I do not think any of the smaller associations would take exception to that or put up a demand to be considered at the same time. Probably this would result in the formation, as has been spoken of by the minister, of one large association for the whole province; but as the hon. member for New Westminster says, we are not being treated fairly when no recognition of that kind is being extended to British Columbia.

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Item agreed to.


DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR


Government of the Yukon territory- Salaries and expenses connected with the administration of the territory, including surveys, $42,000. Grant to Yukon council for local purposes, the construction and maintenance of roads and such other expenditures as the commissioner is authorized to expend by and with the advice and consent of the council or any committee thereof; and the accounts with respect to such expenditure shall be subject to examination and audit by the Auditor General as provided by section 22, chapter 215, revised statutes 1927, $60,000.


LIB

John Campbell Elliott

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Would the minister give us an indication of the roads on which this amount is to be expended?

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. T. G. MURPHY (Minister of the Interior):

The item of $60,000 is a grant to the Yukon council for local purposes for the construction and maintenance of roads and such other expenditures as the commissioner authorizes by and with the advice and consent of the local council. They are local roads in the Yukon which are maintained by the local council.

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Item agreed to. Dominion lands, parks, etc.- Dominion lands, seed grain, mining lands and ordnance, admiralty and public lands, salaries and expenses, etc., $90,797.96. Advancement of forest conservation; national inventory of forest resources; investigation of forest conditions and rates of growth, and development of scientific management methods; forest protection studies, technical and economic investigations of forest industries; the operation of forest experiment stations, demonstration forests; and forest products laboratories; cooperative undertakings in forestry and forest products, etc., $250,900. Grant to Canadian Forestry Association, $1,620. Investigation of water and power resources and of international waterway problems, the dominion hydrometric survey and for the administration of the Dominion Water Power and Irrigation Acts, etc., $165,100. Amount required to meet expenses of Lake of the Woods Control Board, $7,000. To provide for the expenses connected with the national parks of Canada, historic sites, oare of indigents in the parks, the appointment of stipendiary magistrates in the parks and the payment of their remuneration, $1,105,188. Administration of the Migratory Birds Convention Act, $35,500. Costs of litigation and legal expenses, $4,000. Amount to provide for expenses in connection with determination of location and boundaries of ordnance and admiralty lands in the province of British Columbia, $3,000. Amount required to cover the payment of retiring leave to officials other than those on civil government, $7,350. Salaries of revenue staff, $8,856. Supply-Interior


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

What is the amount of road that remains to be constructed in the national parks area to link up with the British Columbia section?

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

Does the hon. gentleman refer to the Big Bend road?

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LIB
CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

On the eastern section of the road, that is the section lying between Donald and Canoe river, there are some sixteen miles to complete, including the bridge over the Canoe river. On that stretch a certain amount of work has been done comprising rock cut and a certain amount of grading, but the road from Donald to Canoe river, that is the eastern leg, has been completely graded and surfaced with the exception of some sixteen miles at the northern end. On the western leg the road has been partly completed to a distance of some fifty-eight and a half miles. It is not completed in the sense that it has all been graded and gravelled, but it is in a passable condition. There remain on that section approximately thirty-five miles which require new construction, in other words on which no work has been done.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

At the present rate of progress how long will it take to complete the entire gap in the Big Bend?

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CON

Thomas Gerow Murphy (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MURPHY:

The eastern leg, that is the leg for which the dominion government is responsible, could, if funds were made available, be completed this year; but the western leg, which is a responsibility of the province of British Columbia, would it is estimated take practically two years to complete, that is if all' the available crews which could advantageously be used were employed.

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March 11, 1935