February 19, 1935

CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I was in error in saying that the recent British act does not make provision in the event of old age pension being paid. It does provide that a person shall not receive the benefit under the act if he does receive old age pension. I did not correctly state the provision in the British act. I believe I can make it plain to the hon. member for Vancouver-Burrard that no one would be receiving compensation under

a provision of a workmen's compensation act unless he were free from fraud; the tribunal which deals with these matters has decided that he is entitled to receive it. He receives compensation because of injuries sustained in the course of his employment. Any money he may receive in that way could just as easily have been the result of his having been struck by an automobile and receiving $500 from the owner for the injury sustained. He would put the $500 in the bank, and after his recovery would go to work. Under this measure he would receive his benefits just the same as if no accident had happened to him, provided he had worked the requisite number of days to secure the benefit in question. The fact that an employee through a workmen's compensation act has received compensation for injuries sustained during employment cannot in any sense be said to militate against his right to recover benefits which he has secured to himself by paying his premiums during the period of his employment. Old age pensions, however, are entirely different. That is not something which he has received from an employer, and which he has a right to receive; it is something paid to him by the state after he has turned over to the state any assets he may have within a certain figure to enable him to receive the pension in question.

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

Workmen's compensation acts are, of course, purely provincial, and are not the same in all provinces. I suppose we may assume that this unemployment insurance measure will not in any way interfere with the operation of the workmen's compensation acts in the provinces?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I have explained as clearly as I can that it would not. If I have failed to make the point clear, then I desire to repeat that in my opinion at least-

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

Perhaps the fault is mine.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It is my fault; apparently I have not succeeded in making it clear that the two statutes cannot in any sense be in conflict.

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LIB

Frederick George Sanderson

Liberal

Mr. SANDERSON:

I have in mind the fact that this parliament would have no jurisdiction over the compensation acts controlled by the provincial legislatures, no matter what the provisions of this measure may be. Even if parliament endeavoured to bring down legislation which would interfere with the compensation acts, the provinces would not accept it.

Unemployment Insurance

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LIB

Colin Alexander Campbell

Liberal

Mr. CAMPBELL:

The Workmen's Compensation Act in Ontario carries the provision that people who have been injured and who, having received some payments find that although they are better they cannot work, may be put on life pension. Will they be treated the same as people receiving old age pensions, or will they be considered as people receiving benefits under a workmen's compensation act?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Benefits received from a workmen's compensation act would have no effect upon a person's rights under this measure as now drafted.

Paragraph (c) agreed to.

Paragraphs (d) and (e) agreed to.

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Section agreed to. Sections 22 and 23 (now 21 and 22) agreed to. On section 24 (as printed; now section 23) -Definition of benefit year.


LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

Paragraph (b) of subsection 1 of this section reads as follows:

(b) also, in the case only of an. insured contributor who has exhausted his benefit rights in his last preceding benefit year, that thirteen contributions have been paid in respect of him since the Sunday last before the last day for which he received benefit;

Under section 20, in order to start to receive benefits under this act, a man must have paid forty contributions within the last two years.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is the beginning

of the operation.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

Then after that, once

he has qualified for receiving benefits, he can receive benefits in any benefit year if there are thirteen contributions?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It is a period of twelve months from the date of his last application for benefit. That is the new benefit year. Then he makes his contributions for the period, thirteen I think it is, speaking from memory, and thereupon he has the right to make further claim for unemployment benefits.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

The question I am

concerned about is this-it may be clear but I have not been able to see the explanation of it. At the end of a man's benefit year he still may have a credit of benefits accruing to him. Even if he has those benefits to his credit, will he still have to make these thirteen contributions before he can receive any further benefits?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The act provides that

if an applicant has in his benefit year exhausted all his benefit right he must requalify by making thirteen fresh contributions. I will discuss that matter and make it clear when we come later to the section to which I wish to refer. I asked this afternoon that subsection 4 of section 20 stand because I desired to make an explanation; I shall keep my hon. friend's question in mind when I explain subsection 4 of section 20. There are also three or four other matters of that kind that I desire to make perfectly clear.

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Section agreed to. On section 25 (as printed; now section 24) -Special classes of insured persons.


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver):

With

reference to subsection 4 of this section, will provision be made for tabling the regulations made in pursuance of the various sections of this bill at the next session of parliament?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Section 42 deals with

that matter.

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Section agreed to. Section 26 (now 25) agreed to. On section 27 (as printed; now section 26) -Determination of questions by commission concerning the rights of persons and appeals to the exchequer court.


LAB

Humphrey Mitchell

Labour

Mr. MITCHELL:

I am opposed to any

appeals to court in connection with legislation of this kind. I have had some experience with workmen's compensation legislation which gives the right of appeal, and where the employer with all his financial resources is pitted against the individual worker. I would rather see the commission itself be the final court of appeal. I think it has been proven conclusively in connection with workmen's compensation legislation in its application in the broadest sense that the employee is distinctly better off when he stays out of court in matters of that kind, and I would suggest to the government that they eliminate this provision which permits either party to appeal to the courts.

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February 19, 1935