February 19, 1935

CON

Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Smith, Cumberland) :

Order, please.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Thank you. The provisions of the statute in that regard of course could not be made mandatory, for it might well be that one who had made his payments here might in some case receive his benefit outside the country. I do not think it would be possible to make operative any provision prohibiting that.

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LIB

William Pate Mulock

Liberal

Mr. MULOCK:

I just wanted to draw

that point to the Prime Minister's attention, because I understand that at one time there was some difficulty in Great Britain in regard

to money being spent in France because of the lower cost of living there. That condition corrected itself over a period of time, when the cost of living in France increased.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I am obliged to the hon. gentleman, but I know of no method through which by statute the difficulty to which he refers could be adequately met unless it might be thought desirable to say that no benefit should be paid to any recipient of benefits outside of Canada. That would not cover it, either, for he might have the cheque sent to his ordinary address and then have the money sent to him after the cheque was cashed.

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LAB

Humphrey Mitchell

Labour

Mr. MITCHELL:

I would like to ask the Prime Minister why the forty weeks and why it should be confined to two years.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

With which subsection

is my hon. friend dealing?

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LAB

Humphrey Mitchell

Labour

Mr. MITCHELL:

Paragraph (i).

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

You must have some

period of time, and the period that has been selected is two yeans. Rightly or wrongly the theory is that there must be a period of time in which to allow the fund to accumulate in order that it may be solvent, and a period of time within which the workman must be continuously employed in order that the fund may be available for the payments to be made under it. In other words the solvency of the fund has been determined to be dependent upon these conditions. There is nothing I can possibly say about it beyond the fact that this, arbitrarily, is the time that has been regarded as proper, and the period of service that has been regarded as proper.

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IND

Joseph Henri Napoléon Bourassa

Independent

Mr. BOURASSA:

Hear, hear. Under the

principle of contributory insurance the fund accumulated from the contributions of all parties, whether employers, employees or the state, must be sufficient to ensure the payment of the benefit. Unless that is done the contributory principle disappears. That principle obtains throughout all forms of insurance, whether it be fire, life or accident insurance. The benefits conferred by the insurance fund must be supported by the amount of money contributed to that fund by the interested parties.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is the principle upon which this measure is founded.

Subsection 3 agreed to.

On subsection 4-Meaning of continuous period of unemployment.

Unemployment Insurance

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John William Bell

Mr. BOTH WELL:

I have one question

to ask in connection with this subsection.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is the subsection

to which I directed the attention of the hon. member for Comox-Alberni (Mr. Neill), who is not now in the chamber. I thought we should deal with it very carefully, because it deals also with the question of mining, to which the attention of the committee was directed by another hon. member.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

Subsection 4 states:

Any three days of unemployment, whether consecutive or not, within a period of six consecutive days shall be treated as a continuous period of unemployment, and any two such continuous periods separated by a period of not more than six weeks shall be treated as one continuous period of unemployment....

Another section of the measure indicates that that man is considered unemployed and entitled to receive benefits only after he has been, unemployed nine days. Would three of these periods of unemployment constitute the nine day period mentioned in the other section?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The paragraph reads:

Any three days of unemployment, whether consecutive or not, within a period of six consecutive days shall be treated as a continuous period of unemployment.

That is, after six days of the week have passed and a man has been three days unemployed, whether those days have been consecutive or not they shall be regarded as three unemployed days. That is one period. Then, the paragraph states:

And any two such continuous periods separated by a period of not more than six weeks shall be treated as one continuous period of unemployment.

That means that if within six weeks we have this event happening twice, you have six continuous days of unemployment which go to make up the nine. That is the position.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

He has credit for the

six days?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Yes.

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LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

How would that affect the railway shops to which I referred earlier this afternoon? Men are employed on practically a three days per week basis; they are three days off and three days on. Would this clause affect those men?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It appears to me that

the situation described this afternoon by the hon. member who has just spoken creates some difficulty. I had not been fully advised that there were cases in which there were

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lengths of time such as have been mentioned here. The hon. member said that for a period of a year men worked only three days a week.

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LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

There is no doubt about

that.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Under those circumstances I should like to look into that subsection a little farther, because if there is a period as long as a year in which men are employed only half a week, obviously there should be some readjustment of the provisions of the subsection.

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February 19, 1935