February 15, 1935

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Mr. AVEIR@Melfort

Yes.

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James J. Donnelly

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DONNELLY:

The minister has assured us that the cost will be less this year. How can he tell us whether or not it will be less, unless he can tell us how much he will save from the vote for the experimental farms?

Unless we know how much he saves on that which has been included in the experimental farm vote, the committee cannot form any opinion as to what we are saving how it is being saved or where it is being saved.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

The branch has been enlarged this year, and part of the administrative work done by the experimental farm will be done by this branch.

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CON
CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

We are not in a position to say exactly how much.

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James J. Donnelly

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DONNELLY:

Then how can you tell whether or not you are saving money?

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Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

Surely the minister ought to be able to give us some idea of how many men he will employ, how long they will work, and whether he is going to have a larger number of men employed later on. He must have based his estimate for the increase on certain figures. I understand him to say that the money is for distribution. Will it be paid to new employees? If so, will they be employed by the civil service commission, or simply at the will of the minister or the officials in his department? Since the money is for distribution, I think we are entitled to have this information. I understand the postage or mailing does not cost anything. The expenditure, as I understand it, is to place these pamphlets and documents in envelopes. Who will employ these men? Is it a political move, for an election?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

There are no wages contained in this increase.

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LIB
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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

This has to do with the sending out of publications, and so on. The staff of the publications branch is appointed by the civil service commission; but this increase is a matter of-

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LIB
CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

No. It is an increase in supplies, materials, expenses and travelling, as I have indicated, and certain extension exhibits which were formerly taken care of in the experimental farm vote.

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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

Has the deputy who is assisting the minister the details of the vote? The figures ought to be given to the committee.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

The increase or the total vote? -

Supply-Agriculture

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LIB
CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

For this year's vote the figures are as follows:

Advertising and publicity:

Clipping service, $600.

Newspaper advertising and radio, $1,000. Mats for press services, $900.

Photographic and lantern slides, $800. Temporary assistance, $1,497.60.

Supplies and material:

Metal stencils and ribbons, $850.

Mimeograph ink, $800.

Mimeograph stencils. $300.

Mimeograph paper, $8,000.

Printing, $4,500.

Stationery, $750.

Newspaper subscriptions, $100.

Envelopes, $5,500.

Replacement of duplicating machinery, $1,000. Transportation:

Cartage, $1,100.

Postage and express, $1,000.

Transportation and travelling expenses to persons travelling, $3,500.

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LIB

John Vallance

Liberal

Mr. VALLANCE:

Now that we have

entered upon a discussion of this matter I think it would be wise to review these expenditures since the time the present Minister of Agriculture took over the administration of the department. Let us see what he has done each year under the item of publications. In 1930-31 we find a vote of $31,000; in 1931-32 there is a vote of $38,000. Then in 1932-33 it is reduced to $7,500. In 1933-34 it is back again to $28,231; we are climbing up. This year it is back to S32,197.60 an amount not far below the $38,000 he asked in 1931-32. I do not doubt the minister's statement of expenditures, but the point which arises in my mind is this: In the year 1932-33 the vote was only $7,500, and I am wondering if anything was done in that year, or was this particular branch of the department allowed to dwindle away to nothing? Is the minister now making an effort to catch up and leave the department in the same condition as that in which he found it?-at least I hope he will leave it.

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

The difference is

accounted for by the fact that because of lack of demand supplies have piled up at the end of one year, thereby enabling a cut being made in the estimates. If I remember correctly in the year following the one in which there was a vote of only $7,500 the amount was greatly increased due to the fact that the supplies had been almost exhausted. My information from the officials of the department is that no demand for publications has been refused.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

The minister has been good enough to give us the details as to how he expects to spend the vote for which he is

now asking. We would like further to have the particulars as to how the moneys voted last year were spent.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I am sorry I have

not the figures for last year before me, but I shall be very glad either to submit them to the committee or to send them to the hon. member seeking the information.

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February 15, 1935