February 15, 1935

LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

I notice there is an increase. Would the minister give the reason for it?

Hon. ROBERT WE'IR (Minister of Agriculture) : There has been a reorganization of the branch, consisting chiefly of taking in the extension branch of the experimental farm with the old publications branch. There is an increase in advertising and publicity, $3,300; supplies and material, $2,725; and travelling, $3,000.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Does the minister mean, by taking up publications again, that he desires to go on discussing his farm rehabilitation scheme in the western prairies, or would he prefer to do that some other time?

Mr. WElIR (Melfort): That would come better under experimental farms. I took the opportunity of making the announcement the other day, because it could be made either through the press or on the orders of the day; but I thought it would be just as well to make it on the introduction of estimates.

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John William Bell

Mr. BOTH WELL:

1 was not able to hear the minister's answer to the first question. Did he say that appropriations formerly made under other departments are now included in this item, and account for the increase?

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

No, a reorganization has taken place in the publications branch, and we hope to centralize all work of this nature. We have included under this item work previously done under the experimental farms branch.

Mr. BOTHWiELL: Is this reorganization going to cost more, or what was the extra amount spent under experimental farms branch?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

No, the cost will be less. The experimental farms 'branch vote previously included part of this item, but this total is lees.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

Last year this vote amounted to $23,039. How much was spent for this purpose under the experimental farms vote?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I really have not the information at hand in that form, but 1 shall be glad to give the hon. member any information in that connection that I car secure. This item really covers material anu staff for the distribution of publications.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

If I understood the minister aright a portion of the money formerly expended by the experimental farms branch will now be expended under this item, but I notice that the experimental farms item is also increased this year, whereas, unless there is some other reason, it should be reduced by the amount included under this item.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

For purposes of administration there is a transfer; less money will be expended by the experimental farms branch in this connection.

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LIB

John Vallance

Liberal

Mr. VALLANCE:

I notice that in the estimates for 1934-35 there was a decrease of

$150,354 in the experimental farms vote. This year the increase on the same item amounts to $122,898. The minister is reducing the amount spent for publications under the experimental farms vote and is taking that money out of the reduced vote, though he has not yet made up what he took out last year. Last year there was a decrease of $150,000; this year the increase amounts to only $122,000, but the minister says he is extending the services. How is he doing that?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

There is a consolidation of the work which accounts for the increase in this vote. If I understood the hon. member aright lie said that last year there was a decrease in the experimental farms vote and that this year there is an increase. The increase in that vote, which will be discussed more fully when we come to that item, is due to the extended work of the experimental farm system.

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LIB

John Vallance

Liberal

Mr. VALLANCE:

I am not concerned about the increase in the vote this year, but the minister says that the amount formerly expended out of the experimental farms vote for publications now is under this item. Last year there was a decrease of $150,000 in the experimental farm vote. This year the increase amounts to $122,000 still leaving a decrease of about $30,000, yet the minister is proposing to give greater service through the experimental farms vote than he gave prior to 1935. How can he do that?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Not a greater service in this work; a greater service in other work under the experimental farm vote this year.

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Frederick William Gershaw

Liberal

Mr. GERSHAW:

I should like some information with regard to the distribution of these publications. Are they sent out only upon request by a farmer or someone else interested, or are they sent out by the department to those who might be interested? For instance, there are some valuable publications dealing with irrigation crops. I was wondering if they were sent particularly to people on irrigated farms. Then in connection with the experimental1 ranching stations, which are doing valuable work, I find that a great many ranchers know nothing about the results of the experiments that have been carried out.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

A mailing list is maintained, and in addition the publications are sent out upon request. With such publications are included lists of other publications that are available. Then if a person wishes to send for any others the list is there and he can make his selections. The method of sending out publications without requests has been considered many times in the past, and

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it was felt that there would be a great wastage if they were sent out to others than those sufficiently interested to write for them. If persons do write, however, a list of publications in wdiich they may be particularly interested is sent, and they are invited to mark the ones they would like and return the list. Then their names remain on the mailing list.

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LIB

Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

In 1932-33 the item for publications amounted to 87,500. In the following year it was $28,231. Last year it dropped to 823.000, but this year it is the highest of which I have record, 832,197.60. The experimental farms vote is also higher this year. I think the minister should give the committee some information as to the publications that are being taken out of the hands of the experimental farms branch and being looked after under this item, with the estimated saving to the experimental farms branch. So far we have not been able to get any explanation of this vote.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I regret that I do not seem to have been able to make myself clear to the hon. member. He has said that in one year there is an increase and in another year a decrease. This vote may go up or down, depending on the demand for these publications. At the end of one year, due to a lack of requests, there may be left a supply of material which will be taken into consideration in making the estimate for the following year.

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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

I should like the minister to give us some information as to the publications that are put out. I have here the annual report of the Department of Agriculture for the year ending March 31, 1934, and at page 65 publications are dealt with. It gives the numbers of the publications issued; 28, 88, 151, 161, 162, and so on. I should like to know what publications are being issued at the present time by the experimental farms branch, what publications in future will not be issued by that branch, and w'hat new publications are to be issued to account for the increase in this item. I think we ought to have that information.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

The money in this rote is not for the printing of publications, but for the distribution of them.

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LIB

February 15, 1935