February 5, 1935

CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Yes.

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Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

The first

one is this: Is that statement intended as a definite policy so far as the government is concerned in connection with the treatment of drouth areas?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Yes.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Then it is

intended that the survey shall be made by officers of the department. That is what I gather from the statement of the minister.

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May I suggest to him that in that survey-and this is no reflection on any officer in the department-he associate with the staff of the department some men who have considerable experience in the treatment of similar areas. My difficulty with officialdom is that they have very definite ideas; that in my opinion they do not pay enough attention to experiments of the past, and in this report which will be presented for the consideration of the government I hope at least some of the experiments that have been tried will be given a thorough inspection by the officers who are delegated to do this work. I am speaking in the light of some difficulties I have had in former days.

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Ernest D'Israeli Smith

Conservative (1867-1942)

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Smith, Cumberland) :

I understood the minister to move

that the committee rise.

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?

Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

I asked for the minister's consent to my putting these questions and making a few remarks dealing only with the statement the minister read to the committee this afternoon. What I suggest first is that he will associate some outside individuals with the officers of his department and that they will make a very careful inspection-I say this in order to clarify what I mean-that in the area known as the Tilley area many years ago we adopted a similar scheme to the one suggested in the statement made by the minister this afternoon. Personally I am not familiar with the result. I take it that the low price of live stock has made it somewhat difficult to make a success of that venture, but I know from personal experience all through that territory there are areas in which farming has been carried on somewhat successfully. Even in Alberta, south of the Cypress hills, there have been very few failures, yet north of that area I am convinced from twenty-five years' experience that a great deal of that territory should revert to ranching. That briefly, is what I mean in making these observations. The situation is very serious and it is one *that must be dealt with. Let us have the 'very best advice possible in order that we may make up our minds what course we shall pursue.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I appreciate what

the hon. member for West Edmonton has stated. In the statement I gave to the committee we recognize fully what the hon. member has suggested. That is why an advisory committee is to be set up consisting of the fMr. C. Stewart.]

largest as well as some of the smaller and most successful practical ranchers. The same thing applies to wheat growing areas. There will be on this advisory committee some farmers in that area who even under these difficult times have been most successful, because no one appreciates more than I do the importance of the information and the knowledge that these men through the years have gained in the practical operation of their ranches or farms. There will also be associated on this advisory committee some of the outstanding business men throughout these districts who have carried the load almost equally with the farmers and ranchers during the past four or five years and who are just as vitally interested in the rehabilitation of or in discovering to what extent we can rehabilitate these districts. The survey itself has been pretty well completed.

The hon. member in his few remarks referred also to the Tilley district in the southern part of Alberta. I believe it was in 1922 that that was abandoned. A good deal of it has since come back to pasture. An interesting thing in this connection is that the sandy lands came back first with a native grass called sand grass, but even the lighter soils have come back with a better covering of grass than the original one. The best illustration of what can be done is in a district about seventy-five miles south of Medicine Hat where an experiment was started in 1927 in an area, now occupied by the Gilchrist Brothers of Manyberries district which had been settled, homesteads proved up and then abandoned because the people could not make a livelihood. It had to a certain extent been regrassed by nature, but a development was started there to demonstrate just what could be done in the conservation of surface moisture and in using domestic grasses to regrass this area. For example, a dam was constructed not where there was any stream but just to catch the runoff of water in the spring. In 1927 when prices were much higher than they are now this cost only around S400. Yet with that expenditure there was created a five-acre pond of water irrigating forty-five acres with a volume of thirty acre feet of water. This shows what can be done at very little cost.

For the reason I stated before I move that the consideration of this item be deferred.

Item stands. .

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PENSIONS AND NATIONAL HEALTH


Grant to Canadian Legion, B.E.S.L., S9,000. Supply-Public Works-Harbours


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Charles Eusèbe Casgrain

Mr. CASGRALN:

Would the minister explain this item?

Hon. DONALD M. SUTHERLAND (Minister of Pensions and National Health): This item has been in the estimates for a number of years, formerly it was $10,000, and with the ten per cent cut was reduced to $9,000, at which amount it has remained for three years.

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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

What is it for?

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CON

Donald Matheson Sutherland (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

It is in the way of assistance for investigation and helping soldiers prepare their cases for presentation to the various soldiers' courts. It is given on consideration that they raise in their own way at least an equivalent sum, and before this is put in the estimate it is found by the auditors that they have complied with that condition.

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Charles Eusèbe Casgrain

Mr. OASGRAIN:

Can the minister tell us who are the various lawyers in different parts of the country, by provinces, who render these services to the soldiers?

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CON

Donald Matheson Sutherland (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

That does not come under this item. This money is given to the legion to administer. The lawyers employed come under the commission and under the pension appeal court.

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LIB

Frederick William Gershaw

Liberal

Mr. GERSHAW:

How does this grant and the use made of it dovetail into the ordinary organizations for dealing with soldiers' claims? In other words is this grant used to further the claims of those only who belong to the legion, or has a man who does not belong to the legion the same opportunity of getting advantage therefrom?

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CON

Donald Matheson Sutherland (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I think it has been the policy of the legion from its inception not to ask those seeking their aid whether they are members of the legion, nor is it a requisite for their assistance that applicants be members. It is open to anyone; they are ready to help any returned soldier to proceed with his case and endeavour to get justice.

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Item agreed to.


DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS


Public Works-harbours and rivers, under contract, Saint John-channel improvements, $90,000. Mr. OASGRA'IN: Would the minister give some explanation as to the amount and how it is to be appropriated?


February 5, 1935