June 13, 1934

CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The definition in this

subsection refers to the load line convention. If my hon. friend from New Westminster will look at the appendix he will see the convention.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Is the Prime Minister aware

that in spite of the fact that Great Britain signed the load line convention a number of her colonies have not accepted it and will not accept it?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I tried to point out to the hon. gentleman yesterday that this -is not a colony. I tried to point out further that the load line convention was executed, as he will see, by turning to the appropriate page-I gave it to him yesterday-by the representatives of the various countries listed from pages 389 to 394. The load line convention, 1930, appears in the bill beginning at page 389. He will see that it was signed on behalf of Canada by its representative, Mr. Alexander Johnston, Deputy Minister of Marine, and by the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The names of the representatives of the United Kingdom are set out on page 391, Admiral Oliver, Captain Bate, etcetera, etcetera. It was also signed by the representatives of the governments of Greece, Norway, Mexico, Latvia, Japan, Italy, Iceland, France, Cuba, Chile, Belgium, Australia, India, Denmark, the Free City of Danzig, Spain, the Irish Free State, United States of America, Finland, New Zealand, Paraguay, The Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Sweden and Soviet Russia; They agreed and signed the convention which was submitted for ratification to this house and which is binding upon us as well as the other countries to which I have referred.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

The Prime Minister did not quite get the import of my remark. What I said was that there were certain British colonies or dependencies-I was not referring to Newfoundland but I had in mind a British possession which has not adopted and does not intend to adopt this load line convention.

[Mr. Reid.J

In fact, I am seriously considering Changing the registry of certain vessels I am interested in to that country so that I shall not be put to the expense of spending anywhere from S500 to $2,000 for something which in my opinion and the opinion of the other owners is not necessary.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Either the hon. gentleman does not seem to be willing to understand or he has not followed what has been said. This international convention was a convention which met in 1930; it was before the election of that year. Mr. Alexander Johnston represented the Dominion of Canada, and this house has ratified that convention. If the hon. gentleman desired to protest, the time to have done it was then, not now. This bill merely incorporates into the structure of the Shipping Act the provisions of that convention, which are binding upon us now because of the action that has been taken.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Again we seem to be at cross purposes. I did not object to this parliament ratifying this convention, and even if I did not object I am not going to be held responsible for what this government or the previous government did with regard to it.

W'hat I said was this: My right hon. friend had said that this was an international matter, and I took it that he was conveying the impression that all the dependencies and colonies of certain powers had adopted this load line convention, and that consequently it was being incorporated in this statute. I pointed out that there are certain parts of the British Empire which, according to my information, have not adopted, and are not going to adopt this convention, and my hon. friend from New Westminster confirms my statement by saying that not only are certain dependencies not adopting this convention, but that Great Britain herself is not doing so.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I suppose it is unnecessary for me to say that Great Britain has done so, and her signature is here in common with ours. It is only necessary to go and look at the convention in the library, if the hon. gentleman desires to do so; he will find it there.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Again may I say to the Prime Minister that I am not going to allow him to get away with that. I have read this convention perhaps more times than he has because I am vitally interested in it. I have had to read it in order to comply with the

Franchise Act

regulations imposed on me and other ship owners by the Marine department of this country. But in spite of the fact that Great Britain signed this convention in 1930, four year ago, just as Canada did, why has not Great Britain brought down legislation in 1931 or 1932 or 1933 incorporating this load line convention in her statutes? But instead of that, as my hon. friend from New Westminster has told us, Great Britain has not incorporated this convention in her statutes.

Subsection stands.

Progress reported.

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At six o'clock the house adjourned without question put, pursuant to standing order. Thursday, June 14, 1934


June 13, 1934