May 8, 1934

CON

Albert Joseph Brown

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BROWN:

No.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

The hon. member for Lisgar says no. I think he will agree with me that the people in the school district in which he1 did live or lives are compelled to cooperate through the payment of taxes which is certainly not left to their voluntary donation.

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LIB

Wilfred Hanbury

Liberal

Mr. HANBURY:

Pretty far-fetched.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I do not think we could find, for one example, a better one than that, that the members in a school district are compelled to cooperate to build and support a school and their contribution is certainly not voluntary.

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CON

Albert Joseph Brown

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BROWN:

If that is the minister's style of reasoning he had better get somebody else to promote this bill.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I appreciate the fact that the hon. member may not agree, but he will certainly agree with me that that is compulsory cooperation; it is the identical principle of it. If we follow the reasoning of the hon. member for Ontario, what he would advocate is that each man in a certain district would build his own school and hire his own teacher and that in doing so he would have greater credit from the banks and the mortgage companies.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not think the minister has answered the question asked by the hon. member for Ontario. It was: Does this bill contain provisions which imply compulsory cooperation, not have we compulsion elsewhere?

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

The word used was "enable."

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I am answering the statement which the hon. member for Ontario made decrying very strenuously the principle of compulsory cooperation. I could give numerous similar examples throughout the dominion where members of a community bind themselves together because the majority feel that it would be of advantage to have compulsory cooperation. For instance, I might cite the building of roads. They are forced to pay taxes because the majority feel that it would be to the interest of the community that this should be done for the purpose of building roads for them. If we follow the argument advanced by the hon. member 74726-183

for Ontario, I suppose he would advocate that each farmer in a community should make his own trail and build his own road to town so that he might thereby retain his own individuality and initiative. I think the whole principle of our democratic institutions is that the majority be given power to effect what they think is in the best interest of the community. If the principle works out in practice as it does, I feel that compulsory cooperation in that form has been acknowledged as a very valuable and necessary instrument for the furtherance of our present day civilization.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Is the minister by citing those instances defending the principle of compulsory cooperation as it is to be found in this bill?

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

If the right hon.

gentleman was listening when I answered him before, he will recall that I said I was dealing with statements made by the hon. member for Ontario.

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LIB

Wilfred Hanbury

Liberal

Mr. HANBURY:

The minister has not

yet answered his question.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I cannot answer his question and every other one at the same time. The hon. member for Ontario asked whether compulsory cooperation was implied-

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LIB

Wilfred Hanbury

Liberal

Mr. HANBURY:

Enabled.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

He changed that

to " enabled1 "-in this bill. But the whole statement leading up to that was that it was government control, government restriction, government sending out of inspectors and so forth. The principle of this bill -and hon. members can judge as well as I can by reading it because I think it is couched in quite clear English-is that if a sufficiently representative body of producers wish to formulate a plan for the more orderly, less wasteful and better regulated marketing of their agricultural products, they are free to submit their scheme to the provincial minister if it has to do with provincial marketing, or to the federal minister if it has to do with federal marketing, or if organized provineially, [DOT]with interprovincial and export trade. If a certain percentage of the producers and of the production-in England, I believe, it is sixty-six and two-thirds per cent-ask for this or show by a poll that they are in favour of it, it is then placed before the provincial minister or the federal minister to decide whether, after submitting it to the lieutenant governor or to the governor in council, a scheme such as that would be approved.

Marketing Act

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I think the

minister meant after submitting it to the board.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Yes, after submitting it to the consideration of the board it will then be submitted to the governor in council. In so far as they ask for power such as that, it would force all within an area to conform to the scheme for regulating the marketing of their product. I would think that there is provision for that in this bill.

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LIB

Wilfred Hanbury

Liberal

Mr. HANRURY:

That is, for compulsion.

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CON

Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Compulsory cooperation, of which hon. members opposite ire so frightened. We sit in this house by compulsory cooperation. The reason there is nothing in this bill as to the percentage of the producers and of production that could be required for such a scheme to be accepted is because my understanding is that that comes under the jurisdiction of the provinces. They might decide on different percentages, if they accepted such a scheme, depending not only on the judgment of the lieutenant-governor in council but also on the product to be regulated in marketing.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

May I ask the minister

to be kind enough to answer the two questions I have asked him, with regard to the decrease in home consumption.

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May 8, 1934