May 2, 1934

LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Even if my right hon. friend was correct in his interpretation of the rule, when there is a strong feeling and a demand from all sections of the house, even

from members who supported the second reading, that the bill should be sent to the committee on agriculture, surely my right hon. friend, even if he had to give his consent, should not refuse sending this bill to that committee instead of having it discussed here by committee of the whole house.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The only difficulty is that a majority of this house has decided that the bill should be submitted to committee of the whole house. That has been decided; it is not competent under our rules to question that decision, and that is what the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre is doing.

What the hon. member for Vancouver Centre says is an entirely different thing. It is entirely competent, of course, to have a general discussion before a clause has been passed, but the discussion must be relevant to the subject matter of the bill, and not to the motion that has been adopted by the house to submit the bill to committee of the whole house. The discussion must not be with respect to the procedure which has already been adopted by unanimous action of the house. Inasmuch as the Minister of Agriculture made his statement before the vote was taken and the hon. member for Melville voted for the bill, I take it when he says that to submit the bill to committee of the whole house indicates a lack of confidence in the measure, that he was really voting want of confidence in himself-a wholly unusual practice in this parliament.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

This is his reward.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

As a matter of fact, on

this side of the house we do not hold out rewards to those who support us. That is the difference between us and hon. gentlemen opposite. This is not one of those classical cases in which rewards are held out to those who desert their principles, of which we have had striking examples in times past. But we are not mercenaries on this side of the house. We are not mercenaries.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

That is the Winnipeg speech again.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

No, we are not.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Neither mercenaries nor judases.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I doubt not, from observations I have heard, that something of that sort was the opinion entertained of the hon. member for Melville by some of his associates, but I think it is wholly unwarranted. He did it on principle. The hon. gentleman from Vancouver Centre has, I

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think, correctly stated the position. But, not to enter into a discussion as to the soundness of the act which the house has just unanimously taken, if there is a desire to rescind that action there are, in our practice, appropriate measures provided to meet the situation. For the moment however the government is of the opinion that in view of the action taken by the official opposition, this is not a measure to be referred to any committee other than the committee of the whole house.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Mr. Chairman-

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

The Prime Minister has referred to the action of the official opposition-

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

I was on my feet when someone interrupted with a point of order.

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CON

William Gordon Ernst

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ERNST:

Go ahead; you are leading the opposition anyway.

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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

He is leader of your party.

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An hon. MEMBER:

He is leading the Socialist party.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

I hope the Prime Minister will not insist on a technicality. As a matter of fact, those of us in this corner find it extremely difficult to catch motions that are being put at the other end. It was not until the hon. member for Melville was half way through his speech that order was sufficiently restored to enable us to learn what it was all about. It may be true that, technically, a motion was passed with regard to referring the matter to a committee, but the hon. member for Melville took the opportunity of raising the larger question and I thought it well to state our position with regard to the whole question. If I am not altogether out of order, I should hope that the government would reconsider its decision and allow this matter to go either to the committee on agriculture or to a special committee.

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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

Make a motion.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

I do not know that this is the place for me to move such a motion, if the Prime Minister insists on the technicality.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Move that the committee rise.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The Prime Minister is not insisting on a technicality; he is merely pointing out that the rules that have been settled by the house for the conduct of debate must be observed.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Replying to

what my right hon. friend has said, namely, that the action of the official opposition was responsible for the government's decision not to allow this measure to go before a select committee, may I remind the Prime Minister that when the bill was introduced the opposition sought very diligently to ascertain from the government whether they would not permit the bill to go to the select standing committee on agriculture, or some special committee, and it was only because the Prime Minister so strongly took the position that it would not go either to the select committee on agriculture or to any other committee that we on this side felt bound to take the firm stand which in the circumstances, we were of the opinion we ought to take to the principles underlying some of the provisions of the bill.

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May 2, 1934