May 1, 1934

CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

The hon. member for Kamouraska (Mr. Bouchard) heard me state at the outset of my speech that I had no intention to discuss the details of this bill. Had my hon. friends opposite been wiser, it would have been better for them to follow such a policy. If they had waited until this bill was before the committee of the whole house to discuss its provisions, it would have avoided the discussion of all these imaginary things which exist only in their mind, will never be put into practice and which the hon. Minister of Agriculture never had in mind.

One more point and I shall close my remarks. We were faced, these last days, with a most sensational statement. When this bill was introduced in the house, almost every province had enacted a measure authorizing these provinces to give effect to this bill. Quebec also authorized such an act. A day or two after the prorogation of the provincial session, the newspapers-I have one of them here-published a statement made by the hon. Prime Minister of Quebec, to the effect that two measures-I shall only refer to this one-

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS (Translation):

Are you re' ferring to " Le Devoir."

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

This one is " Le Canada." The hon. member will not impugn the truth of this news item.

I do not intend, sir, to engage in a controversy with the hon. Prime Minister of Quebec so as to find out whether this act is or not ultra vires, because there are, on this side of the house, members who are better qualified than I am to discuss the matter.

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CON

Joseph-François Laflèche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAFLECHE (Translation):

It is an easy matter.

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Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

However, as an ordinary citizen, not being highly gifted, I read this bill over a number of times. I had the opportunity to discuss it with the hon. Minister of Agriculture and I may frankly state that no citizen of my province will find anything which might affect provincial rights. If I am not mistaken, international and interprovincial trade are the prerogatives of the Dominion government. The government by this bill has no intention to interfere with personal or provincial liberty. This bill is but a tool afforded to the farmers, the rural class so as to better regulate the marketing of their natural products. However, sir, without entering into the question in order to find out whether this bill may affect some provincial rights, I wish to state to hon. members of Quebec that I shall have no scruple in voting in favour of it. There is no proof whatever that provincial rights are threatened. This bill is intended to protect the interests and liberty of the people of this country and I have no hesitation in approving of it. A number of members opposite, in the course of the present session and in the past have suggested that the British North America Act be amended. Why? Because like all earthly things it is not perfect. Would it not be for the same reason that the hon. Minister of Agriculture had no hesitation in stating that this bill was perhaps not perfect, because it was the work of man? I may point out to hon. members of the opposition, to those of Quebec, that a government that has been guilty, I may even say of the crime of allowing the alienation of our forests, as it happened at the last session of the Quebec legislature, that a government who have committed such an act have no right to raise a question like the present one. You may not be aware, sir, that in Quebec, at the last session, the Liberal government which also has the support of our hon. friends opposite, allowed the rights of timber cut to be mortgaged under licence for an amount of almost $500,000,000, with the privilege of increasing this amount to an unlimited figure.

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LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

Order 1 Order 1

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

It is the public domain, the property of the citizens of my province. No one will contend, no one will endeavour to make us believe that the timber cut rights can be mortgaged without mortgaging the land, because the tree takes root and draws its life from the soil. The

provincial domain which is owned by the people of my province has been mortgaged. If again, by this mortgage of the Quebec national domain, the lumber industry

had been saved, if this mortgage had only been given after the watered-stock had been withdrawn from the capital of the Quebec pulp mills, perhaps I would have kept silent and said: To save this industry I sacrificed something. But such is not the case. The soil of my province has been mortgaged, the timber lands of Quebec were sold for the sum of $500,000,000 when the actual value of all these mills in this industry does not amount to $150,000,000. After such an act it does not behoove the Prime Minister of Quebec to criticize this government for introducing this measure which has been requested by the farmers for the last fifteen years and from which everybody entertain great hopes. I do not contend that this bill will be an infallible remedy which will cure all ills from which suffer the farming class, that it will raise the price of butter, cheese and eggs from 50 to 75 per cent. I earnestly believe that the proposed act will prevent the repetition of what took place in the past and the sad state of affairs we witness to-day. In the course of last winter, I stated that butter was dear enough, and even I may have said that it was too dear. Some one interjected that I would not make that statement in my county. I replied: Yes, I would. I shall repeat it at any time. And I have already done so. Do hon. members think that it pleases the farmer that butter should sell at 30 cents per pound in February when he produces none, and that it should sell 17 or 18 cents when he produces some? Is there a member in the house who will contend, with facts to support his contention, that there is a reason for butter prices to drop from 20 or 30 cents to.21 cents, in the space of a few days, as in this present case? The object of bill No. 51 is exactly to prevent such fluctuation-

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LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

Another

sop!

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL:

-which should not exist in the prices of farm products.

We exported, in the course of last autumn, from three to four million pounds of butter. We imported, during the winter three or four million pounds, because we were short of this quantity. Would it not have been more profitable for the farmers to have stored three or four million pounds of butter in the course of the summer so as to market it during winter? I do not know whether this

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bill will have that result; however, such is its purpose for all farm products, that is why-all fruit growers from provinces where fruit is grown have approved of this bill. That is also why the "Union catholique des culti-vateurs de la province de Quebec," which represents the elite of our population and which has as its president a Quebec man, who is very highly rated as an agricultural scientist, Mr. Albert Rioux, has approved this bill. It was also approved by a number of other associations and farming groups in a large number of municipalities. Within the last two weeks, 25 to 30 farmers of my constituency have written to me as follows: For

heaven's sake see that this bill is enacted, endeavour to have this measure put through, as we have been asking for such a measure for the last ten years and it is much needed.

I only intended to speak for a few minutes and I find that I spoke much longer than I expected. For all the reasons given, I shall vote in favour of the bill, and if it were possible I would vote twice for it.

Mr. JEAN-FRANCOIS POULIOT (Temis-couata): Mr. Speaker, I have listened with great patience to the speech of the hon. member for Compton (Mr. Gobeil), the hon. prophet of Compton.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL:

Never mind about titles.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I have listened also to the speech of the hon.. member for Vancouver South (Mr. Maclnnis). It is interesting to note that an answer to the speeches made by hon. gentlemen opposite from the province of Quebec has been given during this debate by hon. members in the far corner. During last summer members of the Tory party were saying throughout Quebec that there were only two parties, the Tory party and the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation. We now see the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation kissing the Tory party. They do not seem to be ashamed to kiss each other.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Hear, hear.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I am glad to hear "hear, hear." That is the best answer which could be made to their speeches of last year. The hon. member for Compton referred to the constituency of St. Johns-Iberville but 'he seems to have forgotten that last session the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville (Mr. Rheaume) and myself invited him and the Solicitor General (Mr. Dupre) to attend a meeting which was to be held in the beautiful city of Iberville. But neither of them showed up at the meeting. If they like these people so much

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why did they not come to address them on that occasion? The hon. member for Compton says that he speaks on behalf of the population of Quebec. How can he do that when he is so close to the hon. member for Long Lake (Mr. Cowan), the hon. member for Regina (Mr. Turnbull) and other members of the Ku Klux Klan. It is pretty hard for the hon. member to speak on behalf of the province of Quebec when he is associated in the House of Commons with members of the Ku Klux Klan.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL:

Mr. Speaker, on a question of privilege, I Object to the remark made by the hon. member. I think I am a good friend of every hon. member of this house but the hon. member has insinuated that there is something wrong about it, something of which a man should be ashamed. I think he has made a reflection upon certain hon. members of the house Which should not be tolerated.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Speaking to the point of order, I do not think it is a reflection. I hope the time taken up in discussing the point of order will not be included in my time allowance.

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Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member to

whom the reference was made objects to the statement that he was associated with members of the Ku Klux Klan. He says he was not, and I think it' was hardly a fair remark to make.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

All right, Mr. Speaker.

If you say it is unfair, I withdraw it. I always comply with the rulings of the chair and I will immediately withdraw the remark and say that the hon. member for Compton is so close to Long Lake and Regina that he cannot speak any more on behalf of the farmers of Quebec. That is my statement and it is perfectly in order. Now, the hon. member for Melville (Mr. Motherwell) said the other day that he was ready to cooperate even with Beelzebub if Beelzebub was able to do something good. Well, politics makes strange bedfellows and we know that the hon. gentleman spoke that way jocularly. But the headquarters of Beelzebub is a place from which no one comes, and if one has to cooperate with Beelzebub it will be from long distance.

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS:

Long Lake.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

Yes. One reason I object to this bill is that it contains no sort of policy; it is just a scheme. In the bill the word scheme is repeated over and over again. Therefore what have we? Have we a gov-

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ernment of statesmen? No, sir. Are they even politicians? No, sir. They are just schemers, because the bill which has been introduced to save the farmers is just a scheme. It is a scheme which we are told will work this way and that way and the hon. member for Compton will find it just as good as the wild strawberry jam which his brother sells to the Canadian National Railways in such quantities.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL:

That is pretty small.

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May 1, 1934