May 1, 1934

LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

Especially !

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

-I deem it my duty, as a representative of a rural county to express, briefly, what I think are the views of my constituents.

I frankly state, sir, that I cannot imagine what purpose' hon. members of the opposition have in view, especially those from Quebec, in prolonging the debate on the second reading of this bill-

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LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

So much the better!

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

[DOT]-because, of all the provinces, Quebec is, in my opinion, the one which requires the most a measure of this kind, the spirit of cooperation being apparently, less developed than elsewhere. What is the first object of this bill? It is to grant the farming class better regulations for its products and marketing.

This is my interpretation of the bill.

The second object is to reduce the spread between the prices paid to producers and those paid by consumers.

The third object is to furnish the farming class with the necessary mechanism to attain such a purpose.

If we wish, sir, to attain these three objects, why so much discussion, why this obstruction for the last ten days, by members of the opposition, especially by those of Quebec? A number of members opposite hailing from other provinces, while criticizing the bill, have found some good points in it. They admitted, that, even granting the bill not to be perfect -no one, heretofore, made such a claim-the object, at least, was a good one.

I closely followed all the speeches made, in this respect, by hon. members from Quebec and, unless one of them spoke in my absence, I regret to note that not one of them had a good word to say for this bill.

As I stated a moment ago, this bill is, perhaps, not perfect; the hon. Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Weir) made such a statement when introducing it. Moreover, as nothing is perfect on earth, it would be futile to contend that this bill is perfect. However, the government and the hon. Minister of Agriculture, in particular, are willing to accept any constructive suggestion which the opposition may make to improve it. This bill was drafted by the hon. Minister of Agriculture-who, indeed, is well posted on agricultural questions, our friends opposite, on various occasions, have praised him for his attainments in that connection- after consulting with the various farming associations of this country, growers of fruit, potatoes and other products of the farm, associations which represent the elite of our farmers, with the cooperation also of all the officials of his department, experts in agricultural matters, who were not appointed by the hon. minister, but were in the department, long before he took it over, 10, 20 and 25 years before. The hon. Minister of Agriculture devoted more than six months of his time in drafting and improving this bill. Notwithstanding all this, is it not most astonishing

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that our friends opposite contend, in the house and throughout the country, that this bill contains nothing worth while.

Unless, sir, hon. members opposite are prepared to state in the house that the Minister of Agriculture and those who draughted this bill deliberately intended to harm, ruin and enslave the farming class, no one will believe, in Quebec or elsewhere, that such a group of experts and agriculturists could have laboured so long to prepare this bill and reach practically no result.

May I recall to hon. members opposite that this scheme is not a new one. Farmers have been requesting a measure of this kind, not only since a month, six months, a year or three years but for ten, fifteen and twenty years past. For a number of years the farmers have been asking the government for some measure which will permit them to market profitably their products and receive a better price proportionately to the price paid by the consumer.

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LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

More

promises!

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

That is the

object of this bill. If we are to judge, not by the speeches of hon. members opposite, but by the requests of farmers, producers and experts from every province, even those from Quebec, in fact all who are experts in the matter entertain great hopes in the results which this measure will bring about. A large number of farmers and producers do not share the views of our friends opposite and think that such a bill is necessary, that it will help to regulate the price and enhance the output of farm products.

I do not intend to delay the house nor do I intend to quote excerpts from statements made by hon. members opposite. May I simply refer to the last speeches delivered last Thursday by two members from Quebec: the hon. member for St. Henri (Mr. Mercier) and the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville (Mr. Rheaume). The hon. member for St. Henri, in the course of his remarks, asserted that this bill would not improve farm products or their grading.

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CON

Joseph Arthur Barrette

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARRETTE (Translation):

He did

not grasp the purport of the bill.

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Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

Is there a

member in the house who can contend that this bill embodies any provision which might prevent the improvement of farm products? Is there any provision of this bill which affects the grading of products? Notwithstanding the intellectual gifts and legal

science of my hon. friend from St. Henri, the elite of the farming class of my province, who approve this bill are in the following situation: A gentleman who has lived all his life in the city, a lawyer, no matter how eminent he may be, states in the House of Commons: Farmers of the province of Quebec and Canada, you do not know what you require, you do not know what will improve your lot; I, as a Montreal lawyer, do not hesitate to make this statement. I have no intention to hurt the feelings of anybody in saying this, because were I to give any advice to lawyers who sit in this house, they could rightly retort that I am not well informed. But such is the situation; our agricultural experts hear of a lawyer who states in this house: Gentlemen, you do not know what you require, and it is I, a Montreal lawyer, who tells you so; the bill that you have loudly insisted on for ten or fifteen years, will not improve your lot, it will be detrimental to farming.

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LIB

Joseph Georges Bouchard

Liberal

Mr. BOUCHARD (Translation):

According to this, if you discuss universities, you should be a member of a university!

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

If the hon.

member for Kamouraska (Mr. Bouchard) wishes to discuss the university question in the house we can again do so.

Another member, sir-I mentioned his name just now and I am pleased to see him in his seat-the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville, delivered a speech on Thursday last. He made many statements. He should be acquainted with the farming question, and I think he is. The hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville, although not a farmer himself, is continuously in touch with farmers, he must be acquainted with their requirements. To my mind, the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville, in making the comments which are to be found in his speech, proves that he takes no interest in his constituents.

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CON

Joseph Arthur Barrette

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARRETTE (Translation):

His mistake.

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS (Translation):

Very sad.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

The hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville stated that farmers had been deprived of their markets, that markets had to be found. The hon. member gave facts. He even pointed out that the farmers owing to the Fordney-McCumber tariff had been deprived of the United States market, our farmers' best market.

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LIB

Pierre Auguste Martial Rhéaume

Liberal

Mr. RHEAUME (Translation):

I said no such thing, it is Mr. McLean, of Toronto, a good Tory, who makes the statement.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

And the hon. member repeated it.

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LIB

Pierre Auguste Martial Rhéaume

Liberal

Mr. RHEAUME (Translation):

Yes, I did.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

And it is a fact.

An hon. MEMBER (Translation): Then, you both said so.

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

Will the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville, admit to his constituents that the Fordney-McCumber tariff was put into force when the right hon. Mr. Mackenzie King was in office? Will the hon. member explain to his constituents that, under the King regime, the United States increased their tariff on farm products from 100 to 200 per cent?

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LIB

Vincent Dupuis

Liberal

Mr. DUPUIS (Translation):

Tories were in power in the U.S.!

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CON

Samuel Gobeil

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOBEIL (Translation):

Will the hon. member remind his constituents, that the then government under the present leader of the opposition, did not protest or even endeavour to remedy the situation? It is a fact that our farmers were deprived of the United States market, I agree on this point with the hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville. Only, thej'-did not lose it under this government, they lost, it under the government of which he was a follower, in 1922 and. in 1929-30. Why make such statements, when all are aware, farmers like others, of what transpired in connection with the United States tariff?

The hon. member made numerous statements which I do not intend to discuss.

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May 1, 1934