May 25, 1933

*TUG OCEANEAGLE

UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What price did the St. John Dry Dock Company receive for the steel tug Oceaneagle, from the Department of Railways and Canals?

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

This question was answered directly to the hon. member the other day, by mistake, so I presume it may be dropped.

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CON

QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN

FRENCH FILMS

LIB

Joseph Raoul Hurtubise

Liberal

Mr. HURTUBISE:

How many French speaking films have been returned to France during the years 1931 and

1932 after being refused by the provincial boards of censors?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I think this will have to stand as an order for return, since it involves communication with all the provinces.

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HUDSON BAY ROUTE-INSURANCE


On the orders of the day:


CON

Alfred Duranleau (Minister of Fisheries; Minister of Marine)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. ALFRED DURANLEAU (Minister of Marine):

I desire to make a statement

with regard to insurance rates on the Hudson Bay route. The Imperial shipping committee, at their meeting held on Friday, May 19, decided to report that as the result of discussion between their chairman and the chairman of the joint hull committee, the rates and conditions governing insurance of hull and machinery of ships on the Hudson Bay route will continue for the

1933 season as they were in the 1932 season, except that minimum rates for suspending warranties will hold from August 10 to October 7, both dates inclusive, instead of to September 30. From October 8 to October 15, both dates inclusive, the rates will be increased as heretofore by 25 per cent. The full report of the Imperial shipping committee will be presented to the governments concerned.

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STE. ANNE DE BELLEVUE


On the orders of the day:


CON

Murray MacLaren (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. MURRAY MacLAREN (Minister of Pensions and National Health):

A day or

two ago the hon. member for Temiscouata (Mr. Pouliot) asked some questions in the house with regard to complaints that had been made to him concerning the hospital at Ste. Anne de Bellevue, and I said I would make inquiries. I have done so, Mr. Speaker, and I am informed that the officer in charge of the hospital and the chief medical officer have not heard of any of the complaints referred to. The officer against whom the charges are made is not a returned soldier,

Redistribution-Mr. Bennett

but has been socially trained in diseases of the chest. He positively states that he did not give expression to the words mentioned and I think the language quoted by the hon. member for Temiscouata was such that no official in the hospital would be allowed to carry on his duties if it were found that these statements had been made. This official states emphatically and positively that it is not correct.

May I say that this officer has some knowledge of French, and my information is that when suitable opportunity offers he speaks to the French patients in their own language. In the ward there are about 35 patients, 7 or 8 of whom are French, and one of the ward nurses is French as well. I may tell my hon. friend from Temiscouata -and this may be of interest to other hon. members-that the nurses and officials generally in this hospital have been encouraged to speak to the French patients in their own language, and it has been pointed out that it is their duty and to their advantage to do so. I may say further that last winter classes were held for the purpose of improving their knowledge of the French language. The hospital is fortunate in having as full time chaplain a French speaking Catholic clergyman, who was kind enough to conduct the classes during the winter. He states that these classes were well attended, and that much interest was taken in them. I make this last statement of my own personal knowledge, because I may say in a modest way that these changes were instituted at the suggestion of the minister himself.

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REDISTRIBUTION BILL


Right Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Prime Minister) moved that the house go into committee on Bill No. 2, to readjust the representation in the House of Commons. He said: I desire to inform hon. members that an agreement has been arrived at with regard to the redistribution of seats in the province of Ontario, and with the agreements that were arrived at with regard to the other provinces through the efforts of the special committee, there remain only a small number of seats in the province of Quebec, I cannot say how many in the province of Saskatchewan, and possibly one in the province of Alberta. I would suggest that the house proceed in committee to dispose of the bill with the exception of section 3, which would enable the whole matter to be discussed further at large after the schedules had been settled. We should 53719-342J thereby be enabled to adopt the schedules in Ontario and in the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and British Columbia, which has now been agreed upon; and Alberta, I fancy, cannot take very long; the whole of Manitoba and a number of seats in Quebec regarding which there is no contest, besides some at least of the seats in the province of Saskatchewan, leaving the matter in such a position that the whole question could be reconsidered and rediscussed under section 3. Section 3 would stand while we discussed the schedules. That I think would conduce to the disposition of this matter which is now in the fourth day of discussion, which discussion has not been directed, except incidentally, to specific instances of constituencies mentioned in the schedules.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Leader of the Opposition):

Replying to the

right hon. the Prime Minister, I can assure him that I am as anxious as he is, and hon. gentlemen on this side are as anxious as hon. gentlemen opposite, to conclude the discussion on this measure. I would point out, however, that what the right hon. gentleman now suggests would very materially handicap some of us who are anxious that the house in its entirety should know the position we are contending for and should have it as fully discussed as possible.

I need not point out to my right hon. friend how many members are already absent from the chamber. It is not surprising that, having been here for over seven and a half months, if we include the two months of recess, members should be anxious to get away to their homes as quickly as possible. What has happened up to the present time is that as members have felt assured that their own constituencies were safe they have for the most part left the House of Commons and returned home. Whait the Prime Minister suggests now is that we should continue the process of eliminating members from the house-I do not say he suggests this in so many words, but that would be the effect of his proposal. The result would be that when we come to discuss the really contentious part of the measure there would be but a handful of members left in the house.

I do not think it is fair to follow that course; I do not think that in the long run it would make for justice. If what we are seeking in this matter is fair play, I think we can reach a conclusion quite as expeditiously by following the regular course with respect to this measure as by adopting any exceptional method at the present time.

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Redistribution-Mr. Mackenzie King

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I can only say that the

thought suggested by the right hon. gentleman had not even entered my mind. I would say, however, that in committee of the whole house it has always been the rule, and as a matter of fact I think the chairman would be within his rights if he endeavoured to do so, to confine the debate to specific matters; and section 3, as was pointed out by the former Minister of Justice, would be the appropriate section on which a general discussion could take place, because section 3 provides:

The said provinces and territory respectively shall, for the purposes of the election of members to serve in the House of Commons, be divided into electoral districts, and be represented as provided in the schedule to this act.

We were proposing to adopt a plan that was not very acceptable to the government of the day in 1924, that is, to take the schedule constituency by constituency and province by province, commencing with the province of Ontario, and if it were desired that instead of proceeding with the next province after Ontario we should take some other the convenience of the house would be considered. I still think that is the correct and proper course to pursue in view of the fact that as regards all the provinces but two there is substantial agreement, and with respect to at least ninety per cent of these two there is also such agreement. So that it leaves a very small number, around which discussion could centre. However, if the right hon. gentleman takes the view that this would not be conducive to the further exposition of the views of hon. members I will do no more than direct attention to the suggestion, because that is all it is, that we should proceed to consider the schedules and pass those that have been agreed upon. If I adopted my right hon. friend's argument all I would say is that if it were pursued to its logical conclusion the only members that would remain in the house would be those from Quebec and Saskatchewan. That is what it would lead to logically.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

What the prime Minister has suggested would mean that by taking up the schedules before taking up section 3-

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Section 3 would stand.

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May 25, 1933