May 24, 1933

LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Would those two square

miles have made the salamander-like picture exhibited by my hon. friend?

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

But I hardly think the

ridiculous part of it, if I may use that term, resulted from the provincial legislation of 1921 as much as from the legislation of 1914. I understand that the changes being made now will not improve the picture even from a futuristic standpoint. As for Drummond-Arthabaska, I find that it was allowed to remain as it had been in 1914, with a very slight correction.

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CON
LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

There was a slight correction in the township of Upton, was there not?

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CON
LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I am referring to the federal statute of 1924.

Drummoncl-Arthabaska consisting of the counties of Arthabaska and Drummond, except that part of the municipality of St. Edmond lying in the township of Upton.

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John Thomas Hackett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HACKETT:

Those boundaries have

been modified by provincial legislation.

Mr. POWER. But not sufficiently to make the picture shown us by the hon. member for Dorchester. As for Brome-Missisquoi, there was a change made by provincial legislation.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

But generally speaking it was the same constituency, and it is being carried into this legislation as exactly the same constituency; if it was so ridiculous in 1924 it is equally ridiculous to-day. I understand the situation is the same with regard to Chambly-Vercheres and Richmond-Wolfe. In his opening remarks the hon. gentleman was somewhat severe with hon. members on this side of the house who had made some complaint with regard to the statutory accuracy of the descriptions given in the present bill. The hon. member for Temiscouata (Mr. Pouliot) stated on the floor of the house that the description of the constituency of Gaspe, which in the bill was made up of Gaspe East, Gaspe West and the Magdalen Islands, was inaccurate in that the description should be Gaspe North, Gaspe South and the Magdalen Islands. My hon. friend took exception to that statement. I refer him to the 1930 statutes of the province of Quebec, which constituted two new constituencies in the county of Gaspe, one to be named Gaspe North and the other to be named Gaspe South. Section 5 of the present bill is identical with a section in the statute passed in 1914, which states:

'Wherever in the said schedule any word or expression is used to denote the name of any

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territorial division, such word or expression shall, unless the context otherwise requires, be construed as indicating such territorial division as it exists and is bounded at the date of the passing of this act.

Therefore if it is intended properly to describe the county of Gaspe one must describe it as including the counties of Gaspe North, Gaspe South and the Magdalen islands. In referring to Gaspe East and Gaspe West I believe my hon. friend the Solicitor General (Mr. Dupre) was referring to registration divisions, but I think in this bill we are dealing with territorial divisions, oounties as represented for the purposes of the elections.

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Maurice Dupré (Solicitor General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DUPRE:

May I interrupt my hon. friend to refer him to section 40 of the British North America Act, which states:

Quebec shall be divided into sixty-five electoral districts, composed of the sixty-five electoral divisions into which Lower Canada is at the passing of this act divided under chapter two of the consolidated statutes of Canada, chapter seventy-five of the consolidated statutes for Lower Canada, and the act of the province of Canada of the twenty-third year of the Queen, chapter one, or any other act amending the same in force at the union, so that each such electoral division shall be for the purposes of this act an electoral district entitled to return one member.

In other words, the federal division is based on the provincial division.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Certainly it has been the custom to follow the practice which was followed in 1924. In this act itself we speak of the county of Matapedia, the county of Fron-tenae, the county of Papineau and a large number of provincial counties. We might as well be consistent all through the act; instead of describing the county of Gaspe as a registration division I think we should describe it as a provincial division for the sake of statutory accuracy.

Progress reported.

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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned without question put, pursuant to standing order. Thursday, May 25, 1933


May 24, 1933