May 17, 1933


Motion agreed to.


REPORT OF COMMITTEE


Hon. H. A. STEWART (Minister of Public Works) presented the second and final report of the special committee as follows: Your special committee to whom was referred Bill No. 2, an act to readjust the representation in the House of Commons, with instructions to prepare schedules to contain and describe the several electoral divisions entitled to return members to this house and to report the same, now present their second and final report:- Your committee have prepared the descriptions and the return of members for the several electoral divisions which are set forth in the schedules hereto appended in respect of the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island and the Yukon territory. The report of your committee is unanimous in so far as the same relates to Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick, Manitoba and the Yukon territory, and, although not unanimous as to the other provinces, represents a very substantial measure of agreement with respect thereto. Accordingly the committee beg leave to report the said bill.


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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It will be distributed immediately.

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Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

-but I would like to know the population of the new constituencies as determined and fixed by the bill. Would it be possible to have a list of those new constituencies with the population of each new riding described in the schedule so that we may be able to discuss the matter intelligently?

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The bill is printed and

will be distributed now. The information the committee had before it will certainly be available to this select four who will try to deal with the problem. I should ask the chairman to make available all the information and maps that the committee had before it, which I believe indicate in approximate figures the population of the new ridings.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

If I may be permitted a word on this matter I also might instance that this is a rather unusual procedure. The proposal is that this house adjourn at one o'clock until three o'clock to-morrow in order that some of the older heads of this house, named by the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition, may confer together to iron out some of the difficulties that have arisen in the committee dealing with redistribution. It is rather unfortunate that this has

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to be done, but inasmuch as it has to be done, I think the suggestion is a very good one. But I think it is unfortunate that the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition should have agreed on the older heads of this house, because the longer a person remains in this house the more partisan he becomes, consequently the possibility of them accomplishing anything is not very great. The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition have unfortunately forgotten that there is another section in this house that is as much interested in redistribution as the Conservative party and the Liberal party. If I may be bold enough to make a suggestion it would be that it would be advisable to have a younger head working with the older heads, and he would probably be the balance of power that would accomplish something. Therefore I suggest that we add to that committee Mr. Speakman of Red Deer to represent this corner of the house.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Mr. Speaker, this informal discussion which by consent is being carried on may be all to the advantage of parliament. What we desire to do is to arrive at some fair redistribution of the seats in this dominion that will do violence to the rights of no man. That is the effort. Whether or not it can be accomplished depends largely upon the good will, as the right hon. gentleman opposite said yesterday, of those who comprise this house, having respect always to the fact that the anomalies of the past sometimes have to be undone. That does always create difficulty. Shifting population is always a factor. The hon. member for Acadia (Mr. Gardiner) suggests that one member from that corner of the house might be of assistance on this committee. This small committee has no authority to bind anything. It will endeavour to speak for a party organization to ensure that the arrangements it makes may become effective; that is the position as I understand it. If the hon. member from Acadia, who has a fair mind, believes he can assist in the manner indicated, speaking for myself I shall be glad if he will sit in with the other members of the committee for the purpose of making any suggestions that might lead to that end. Would that be acceptable to my right hon. friend?

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

As far as the official opposition is concerned I would be most heartily in accord with having the leader of the Progressive party sit in with the other gentlemen for that purpose. The whole aim, as I understand it, is to arrive at what would 53719-325^

be recognized as fair and just as the result of persuasion and argument rather than of any other power or influence.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Quite so. Then it is understood that between now and to-morrow the small committee representing the parties, Sir George Perley; the Minister of Marine, Mr. Duranleau; the former Minister of Justice, the Hon. Mr. Lapointe; the former Minister of the Interior, the Hon. Mr. Stewart (Edmonton); and Mr. Gardiner, the hon. member for Acadia, shall meet together to see whether some suggestions can be made to obviate the necessity for prolonged and acrimonious discussion with respect to these matters.

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Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Does the hon. member for Acadia feel equal to the task of representing the younger heads?

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Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

As my hon. friend will remember, I did not suggest that in the first place; I suggested the hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. Speakman).

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

We will take the leader of the party.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I move, Mr. Speaker, that the house do now adjourn until to-morrow afternoon at three o'clock, but perhaps someone will move the adjournment of the debate first.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY (Peace River):

I move the adjournment of the debate, Mr. Speaker.

Motion agreed to and the debate adjourned.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I now move that the house adjourn.

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Joseph Oscar Lefebre Boulanger

Liberal

Mr. BOULANGER:

I object to the motion for the adjournment of the house.

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May 17, 1933