May 9, 1933


The house in committee on Bill No. 73, respecting the Canadian National Railways and to authorize the provision of moneys to meet expenditures made and indebtedness incurred during the calendar year 1933, and to authorize His Majesty to make loans and advances to the Canadian National Railway Company -Mr. Manion-Mr. Gagnon in the chair. On section 1-Short title.


LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Are the provisions of this bill similar to those of previous bills for the same purpose?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

There is some slight modification, but they are all in accord with the new legislation. The arrangements are slightly different. By the way, this bill has been before the special committee on railways and shipping.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

And has been approved?

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Yes.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Very well.

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Section agreed to. Sections 2 to 5 inclusive agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed.


RAILWAY ACT AMENDMENT

ABANDONMENT OF RAILWAY TO BE APPROVED BY RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS


Hon. R. J. MANION (Minister of Railways and Canals) moved the second reading of Bill No. 80, to amend the Railway Act. Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, considered in committee, reported, read the third time and passed.


CANADIAN NATIONAL-CAN ADI AN PACIFIC RAILWAY BILL


Hon. R. J. MANION (Minister of Railways and Canals) moved the third reading of Bill No. 37, respecting the Canadian National Railways and to provide for cooperation with the Canadian Pacific Railway system and for other purposes.


CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?

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CON

Robert James Manion (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Carried on division.

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LIB
LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. CASGRAIN:

No; there must be a vote.

C .N .R -C .P R.-Mr. Heaps

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Call the yeas and nays.

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Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. A. A. HEAPS (North Winnipeg):

Mr. Speaker, before the motion is put I should like to say a few words on the third reading of the bill. My reason for speaking is to emphasize that which I stated in the committee stage of the bill, and to make a last plea for those men who are going to be vitally affected by the provisions of the bill.

During the progress of the bill in the committee stage I took the opportunity of moving an amendment providing compensation for employees who, as a result of the changes being made, would lose their positions. My amendment however was ruled out of order. Upon this occasion I should like to outline one or two of the criticisms made against proposals I submitted to ithe committee. Some bon. members claimed that in asking for compensation for railway employees who would lose their positions as a result of the operation of the legislation I was establishing a new principle. I do not agree with hon. members who take that stand. On many previous occasions this house has adopted the principle of giving compensation to those who lose their positions as a result of acts of parliament. This house has given compensation to employees who have left the service of the government. After members of the judiciary have served the country for a number of years they are entitled to a pension from the dominion. Only recently when civil service commissioners were retired from their positions the government made provision for very handsome retiring allowances.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

There is a recommendation of the committee in that regard.

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LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

Yes, but the principle was established. I am glad that there was a recommendation of a committee which favoured the principle. Then, there are those men in the military service of the country who after giving a number of years' service are entitled to pension. I claim the people engaged in the railway service of Canada are giving as good service as are some in other services I have enumerated.

There is now before the house a resolution asking parliament to approve of a very substantial pension or retiring allowance to members of the tariff board who have given ten years of service. When at this time I ask parliament to approve the principle of giving retiring allowances or some form of compensation to those who have given service to the country, I am not in any shape or form introducing a new principle, but I am merely asking for an extension of one already established by usage and custom. I do not know

that I can add anything further at this time to what I have said on previous occasions.

I do however take this opportunity to move an amendment to the third reading of the bill. My former amendment was ruled out of order on a technicality. I now move, seconded by Mr. Maclnnis:

That the said bill be not now read a third time but that all the words after "that" be struck out and the following substituted therefor:

"That the bill be referred back to the committee of the whole with the request that the government consider ways and means of providing compensation for such persons whose services will be dispensed with as a result of any of the provisions of this act."

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May 9, 1933