March 1, 1933

LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I must support the amendment. Coming from a race which has perpetuated its aboriginal costumes for many years it would ill become me to help deprive the Indians of their costumes. Hundreds of years ago a measure of this kind was passed having reference to Scotchmen, and they have not recovered from that insult to this day. I think if the Indians want to parade in their costumes they should have the right to do so.

Amendment negatived on division.

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Section agreed to. [DOT] Section 11 agreed to. Section 1 agreed to. Progress reported.



The house in committee of supply, Mr. Bury in the chair. Miscellaneous-to provide for payments in connection with the movements of coal under conditions prescribed by the governor in council and for the cost of administration thereof, $2,000,000.


LIB

Peter Heenan

Liberal

Mr. HEENAN:

Could the minister tell

us what amount of coal has been moved under this subsidy?

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George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Under what is known as

the Alberta coal movement to Ontario, that is, order in council P.C. 439 dated March 16, 1928, amended by P.C. 2364 of December 3, 1929, extended by P.C. 1268 of June 5, 1930 to March 15, 1931, and further extended by P.C. 302 of February 9, 1932, authorizing a test freight rate of $6.75 per ton on movements of Alberta coal to the province of Ontario, the movements have been as follows:

Tons Amount paid

1928 32.101 $ 47.509 501929 45.381 100,745 821930 25,287 56,137 141931 22,634 50,247 48*1932 16,801 37,301 39*142,204 $291,941 33* Estimated. Then by order in council P.C. 1400, dated

June 14, 1930, a reduction was authorized of one-eighth of one cent per ton mile from existing freight rates.

P.C. 1303 of May 30, 1931, became effective June 1, 1931, and will expire June 30, 1933. It authorizes a reduction of one-seventh of a cent per ton per mile from existing freight rates, but the amount of the assistance is not to exceed $1.50 per net ton, on coal for industrial and railway purposes shipped to points in Manitoba. By P.C. 827 of April 15,

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1932, the limit of $1.50 per ton was reduced to $150 per tan, with the proviso that accept ances already granted at the previous rate could be filled at the old rate.

P.'C. 1303 also authorized a reduction of one-third of a cent per ton per mile from the existing freight rates, but the amount of assistance is not to exceed S2 per ton, on coal shipped to points in Ontario west of Sioux Lookout and Fort Frances.

Movements

Net Cost to

tons government

1930, June to December. 54,479 $ 59,193 41

1931

180,114 211,566 541932

218,668 273,574 36Total

453,261 $544,334 31

Saskatchewan coal to Manitoba and western Ontario:

PjC. 1399 dated June 14, 1930, was effective from June 1, 1930, to May 31, 1931. It authorized a reduction of fifty cents per ton from the existing freight rates on coal for industrial purposes shipped to points in Manitoba.

P.C. 1301 of May 30, 1931, became effective June 1, 1931, and will expire June 30, 1933. It authorizes a reduction of one-seventh of a cent per ton per mile from the existing freight rates but the amount of assistance is not to exceed $1 per net ton on coal for industrial purposes shipped to points in Manitoba and to points in Ontario west of Sioux Lookout and Fort Frances.

Movements

Net Cost to

tons government 1 1930, June to December. 19,604 $ 9,802 821931

60.012 26,842 011932

100,479 40,698 22Total

180,095 $77,343 05

British Columbia export and bunker coals: P.C. 1302 of May 30, 1931, and as amended by P.C. 2699 of October 27, 1931, authorizes assistance of fifty cents per gross ton on coal sold as fuel for ships' stores, and assistance of SI per gross ton on coal sold for export to foreign countries other than the United States of America. The total annual payments to be made under the order in council and its amendment are limited to $100,000. It expires June 30. 1933.

Movements

Net Cost to

tons government 1931, June to December. 55,678 $17,850 72

1932

81,639 36,750 00Total

137,317 $54,600 72

Nova Scotia and New Brunswick coals to Quebec and Ontario:

P.C. 539 of March 30, 1928, and its extension, P.C. 2256 of October 2, 1930, was in effect from April 1, 1928 to May 30, 1931.

Section " A " covered movements wholly by rail providing a maximum temporary rate of $3 per net ton on coal mined in Nova Scotia, and $2.10 per net ton on coal mined in New Brunswick, shipped by rail to points in Quebec during the season when navigation on the St. Lawrence was not practicable.

Section " B " covered movements by water and rail. It provided a temporary rate of one-fifth of one cent per ton less than the rail rate which otherwise would be applicable on coal mined in eastern Canada and carried by vessel to St. Lawrence ports and thence transshipped to points in Quebec and Ontario.

P.C. 539 was rescinded by P.C. 1299 and PjC. 1300 referred to hereunder, with the proviso that shipments would be continued on acceptances that were granted under authority of P.C. 539 until the tonnages authorized had been shipped.

P.C. 1299 for coal mined in New Brunswick became effective June 1, 1931, and will expire June 30, 1933. It authorizes a reduction of one-sixth of a cent per net ton per mile from the existing freight rates for coal for other than household purposes when shipped to points in Ontario or Quebec, but the amount of assistance is not to exceed $1.50 per net ton.

P.C. 1300 for coal mined in Nova Scotia, became effective June 1, 1931 and was in effect until May 9, 1932 when it was rescinded by P.C. 1048, referred to hereunder, with the proviso that shipments should be continued on acceptances that were granted under authority of P.C. 1300 until the tonnages authorized had been shipped.

P.C. 1300 authorized a reduction of one-fifth of a cent per ton per mile from the existing rail freight on coal mined in Nova Scotia and carried by vessel to St. Lawrence ports and thence transhipped by the railways to points in Quebec and to the town of Cornwall and the city of Ottawa in Ontario, with a limit of 75 cents per net ton. It also authorized a reduction of one-third of a cent per ton per mile (not exceeding $1.50 per net ton) from the existing rail freights on Nova Scotia coal waterborne to St. Lawrence ports and thence transhipped to points in Ontario other than the town of Cornwall and city of Ottawa. It also authorized a reduction of one-seventh of a cent per ton per mile (not exceeding $2 per net ton) on coal mined in Nova Scotia

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and shipped wholly by rail to points in Quebec and Ontario during the season from 15th November to 15th April in each year.

P.C. 1048 became effective May 9, 1932. Amended by P.C. 1676 of July 28, 1932. Further amended by P.C. 2563 of November 22, 1932. Will continue in force until rescinded, so long as parliament continues to vote the necessary funds.

P.C. 1048 authorizes assistance at the rate of one-fifth of a cent per net ton per mile from the existing rail freight rates on Nova Scotia coal waterborne to St. Lawrence ports, thence transhipped by the railways to points in Quebec for use by consumers other than the railways. Limit 75 cents per net ton.

It authorizes assistance at the rate of one-third of a cent per ton per mile on Nova Scotia coal shipped similarly to the above to points in Ontario. Limit $1.50 per net ton.

It authorizes assistance at the rate of one-seventh of a cent per net ton per mile on Nova Scotia coal transported wholly by rail to points in Ontario and Quebec for use by consumers other than the railways. Limit $2 per net ton. Originally available only from November 15 to April 15 each year, this was amended by P.C. 1676 of July 28, 1932, to be effective at all times.

It also authorizes assistance at the rate of $1 per net ton on maritime provinces coal carried by water to any point west of the island of Montreal.

It authorizes, for maritime provinces coal transported as in the preceding paragraph to points west of the island of Montreal, thence transhipped by the railways to points in Ontario west of Kingston for use by consumers other than the railways, assistance at the rate of one-third of a cent per ton per mile from the existing rail freight rates. Limit $1 per net ton.

Railway Coal: It authorizes payment to

the coal mine operators or to distributors, in the case of coal purchased by the railways for their own use at points in Quebec and Ontario, of the difference in the laid-down cost to the railways of coal mined in the maritime provinces and the laid-down cost at the same point of imported coal that would otherwise be used, up to a maximum of $2 per net ton. It was provided that the difference in laid-down costs should be determined by the Dominion Fuel Board. It was also provided that assistance should only apply on that quantity of Canadian coal purchased in excess of the quantity of Canadian coal purchased in 1931. This limitation was removed by P.C. 2563 of November 22, 1932.

The movement under these orders in council was as follows-

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Is there an area limit upon the assistance given to the railways?

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CON

George Gordon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I think it comes up to

Montreal and it may come as far as Kingston, although I am not sure. I will obtain the information for my hon. friend. The movement under these orders in council was as follows:

From Nova Scotia, Rail and Water

Cost to

Year

Net tons government

1928

88.334 $ 15,734 401929

225,444 51,544 051930

305,099 84,204 181931

332,159 96,232 62Total

951,036 $247,715 25

From Nova Scotia, all Rail

Cost to

Year-[DOT] Net tons government

1928- 29

85,241 $166,219 951929- 30

63,884 124,573 801930- 31

71,549 139,520 551931 to December 31. 17,608 27,837 13Total

238,282 $458,151 43

The figures for 1930-31 all-rail movements are estimated only.

Progress reported.

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At six o'clock the house adjourned without question put, pursuant to standing order. Thursday, March 2, 1933


March 1, 1933