November 2, 1932

PRIVILEGE-MR. MACKENZIE KING

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Leader of the Opposition):

With the permission of the house, Mr. Speaker, I should like to make a correction with regard to a statement made by me in public a day or two ago. In the press reports of the speech which I made before the Montreal Reform Club on Saturday evening last, it is stated that referring to the proposed changes in the Canadian tariff under the trade agreement between Canada and the United Kingdom, I said that out of 230 changes in the tariff, 180 were increases. That is a mistake. It was not a mistake of the reporter or of any hon. gentleman opposite; it was my mistake. I should have said that out of 223 items included in the schedule, 138 were in the nature of in-

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creases in the tariff. I need not say that the mistake was wholly unintentional, and that I regret having made it.

PRIVILEGE-MR. LaVERGNE

Mr. ARMAND LaVERGNE (Montmagny): I rise to a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker. At page 741 of Hansard, during the course of my remarks, I find the hon. member for West Elgin (Mr. Hepburn) reported as having said:

I do not take delight in shooting holes in the British flag.

I did not hear that remark while I was speaking. I do not know if the hon. member was referring to me, but if so I must say that he is entirely mistaken. Never in my life, either in public or private, have I used an expression of that description. I never used that sentence, and to complete my thought I may say that while I am much older than the hon. member for West Elgin, I did not wait until the end of the war, as he did, to enlist.

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UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF

CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. W. A. GORDON (Minister of Labour) :

I desire to lay on the table of the house five orders in council, passed pursuant to the relief measures, all referring to the payment of money.

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SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY

MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO DISCUSS MATTER OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE

LIB

Mitchell Frederick Hepburn

Liberal

Mr. M. F. HEPBURN (West Elgin):

Mr. Speaker, I beg leave under standing order 31 to move the adjournment of the house for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance and the necessity of immediate action being taken iby this house to investigate the present financial position of the Sun Life Assurance Company of Canada and the conduct of its senior officials, as disclosed Iby the recent police court investigation in Chicago into the affairs of Samuel Insull and Martin Insull, now indicted by the United States government on charges of embezzlement and larceny.

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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I would direct the attention of the hon. member particularly to subsection 2 of the rule which regulates the procedure in regard to an application such as he is now making. Subsection 2 of standing order 31 reads:

The member desiring to make such a motion rises in his place, asks leave to move the adjournment of the house for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, and states the matter.

Stating the matter does not go so far as to include discussing the matter. A statement of the matter is a description, an identification of the matter to be discussed, and I must ask the hon. member to state the matter. If he has stated the matter; if the subject to be discussed is an investigation of the affairs of the Sun Life Assurance Company, then he must proceed according to the terms of the rest of the standing order. To enter into any lengthy discussion of the matter would be an evasion of the rule, and out of order.

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LIB

Mitchell Frederick Hepburn

Liberal

Mr. HEPBURN:

Under the rules of the

house, Mr. Speaker, at least I am permitted to hand you this statement, which I hope you will read to the house.

Topic:   SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member for

West Elgin courteously notified me of his intention to make this application; I have had an opportunity of considering it and will not need to delay the house further by examining the statement. Under standing order No. 31 leave may be obtained to present a motion for the adjournment of the house for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance. The procedure is as follow's: At the proper time the member rises in his place, asks leave to move the adjournment of the house for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, and states the matter. He then hands a written statement of the matter proposed to be discussed to the Speaker who, if he thinks it in order and of urgent public importance, reads it out and asks whether the member has leave of the house to move the adjournment for the purpose stated. A motion under this standing order must be restricted to a single specific matter of recent occurrence. The authority for that statement will be found in the thirteenth edition of May at page 247.

In my opinion this is not a matter of recent occurrence, nor is the matter urgent. There must be a prima facie case of urgency. I refer again to May, thirteenth edition, page 247. The matter is not so urgent that the proceedings of the house should be halted so that it may be discussed now. The rules provide other opportunities for discussing such a matter.

For these reasons I hold that the application is not in order and should not be granted.

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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. H. E. SPENCER (Battle River):

Since the house has not been informed as to what this important question is, and since you, Mr. Speaker, have in your hand the particulars, would it be asking too much to request Your Honour to read that statement to the house?

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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I do not think the rule contemplates that the statement handed to the Speaker should be made public m this way; in fact I believe the intention is quite to the contrary. Subsection 3 of standing order 31 provides that the member shall hand a written statement of the matter proposed to be discussed to the Speaker who, if he thinks it in order and of urgent public importance, reads it to the house. If the Speaker does not so think, however, it necessarily follows that he does not read it to the house, and in my opinion the application is not in order. Therefore I do not propose to read the statement.

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UFA

William Irvine

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. WILLIAM IRVINE (Wetaskiwin):

If we do not know the contents of the statement handed to you, Mr. Speaker, in the event of your ruling being challenged how can we judge whether that ruling is correct or otherwise?

Topic:   SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I can only suggest to the hon. member that if it is desirable to amend the rules that is a matter for the house to consider.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTH (Winnipeg North Centre):

On the point of order, Mr. Speaker-[DOT]

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

I hear hon. members opposite giving expression to a roar of disapprobation. I do not know whether or not they are acquainted with the statement which was handed to Your Honour. I have been furnished with a copy of the statement and have read it carefully. I know that it refers to matters that are of very recent development in connection with the Insull trials, and under those circumstances, Mr. Speaker, I venture to say that we can hardly hold that the matter is not of recent origin.

Topic:   SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I may say that the hon. member is entirely out of order in what he is now saying.

Topic:   SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY
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LIB

Mitchell Frederick Hepburn

Liberal

Mr. HEPBURN:

While I do not intend to challenge your ruling, Mr. Speaker, I should like to raise a point of order in connection with your reference to the matter not being of recent occurrence. I may point out-

Topic:   SUN LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member is out of order.

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November 2, 1932