May 6, 1932

LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTH (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Minister of Immigration (Mr. Gordon) when he will make a statement with regard to the arrest and threatened deportation of Daniel Holmes, Konrad Cessinger and Orton Wade of Winnipeg? There seems to be something curious about this case; a good deal is being made of it by the Winnipeg papers. I should like to know under whose authority these men were arrested and on what charge and where they are to be tried.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. W. A. GORDON (Acting Minister of Immigration and Colonization):

Mr. Speaker, I assume that the persons to whom reference has been made are persons being investigated under the provisions of the Immigration Act. Under this act a duty devolves upon the minister and the officers of the department to see that people in Canada who have no right to be here are investigated by a board of inquiry and their right to be in Canada reviewed. If it is found that they are undesirable and have no right to be here, or if for other reasons contemplated by the statute it seems that they should be returned to their country of origin, the appropriate steps are taken. There has been no change in the practice or policy of the department since I have had the honour of administering it, and the same practice has been followed for years. The provisions of the statute have not been changed in many years.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

If I may ask a

supplementary question, the minister has really not answered my question. One of these men, I understand, has been some twenty years in Canada, and has a Canadian wife and children. The minister has not said bv whose authority they were arrested or on

what charges or where they are to be tried. In view of the circumstances I think he should give definite answers to these questions.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

These parties are being

dealt with in just the same way as are any others whose cases might come under review within the scope of the legislation. They are not arrested in that sense of the word. They will come before a board of inquiry set up under the provisions of the act and be given full opportunity to make out their case before that board. If it is shown that the officers who investigated the cases are in error or the evidence upon which the proceedings were started cannot for some reason be relied upon, and if they make out their case, they will have no difficulty. On the other hand, if they are not conforming to Canadian laws, they will most certainly be dealt with as the act contemplates. My duty is to see that the statutes are fairly but justly enforced, and I propose to see that that duty is done in so far as I am able to do it.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

If I may press the matter-

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

The minister has

not answered the question.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin (Speaker of the Senate)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member has

put two questions to the minister and has received full and complete answers. The time of the house cannot be taken up in interrogations of the minister.

Mr. J. L. BROW'N (Lisgar): May I ask a question of the minister and expect au answer? Where are these men to be tried? Are they to be tried at Halifax where they have been taken, or are they to be returned to Winnipeg where they will be given a chance of a fair trial?

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That does not require

an answer.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

I think I am entitled to

an answer to that question. How can men be given a fair trial about two thousand miles away from where the alleged offence was committed and where they have no chance to arrange for a fair defence?

RighJ; Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Leader of the Opposition): I understood the minister to say that the case was being reviewed. Would he indicate how it comes about that the case is being reviewed at Halifax rather than at Winnipeg?

Department of Insurance

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

That is not an unusual course; it has been done many times before. The act contemplates that the board of inquiry may hear these cases at any point. With regard to some of the cases, it often happens that we are positive that a man is illegally in this country, and the nearest, most convenient, port where he can be returned to his country of origin is frequently chosen. I have not before me the immediate details of the case to which reference has been made. Perhaps I shall have an opportunity between now and Monday to inquire more closely into it and if further details can be given I .shall be glad to give them.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. H. E. SPENCER (Battle River):

Who comprise the board of inquiry in such cases?

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Under the provisions of the statute a board of inquiry is set up by a certificate from the minister. It is usual to have at every port of entry, that is ocean ports and ports on the boundary from coast to coast, some responsible officer or probably more than one who can constitute a board of inquiry. I cannot of course say, without reference to the departmental files, who the individual is.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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UFA

William Irvine

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. WILLIAM IRVINE (Wetaskiwin):

May I ask the minister if, under the act, a specific charge has to 'be laid against individuals before they are compelled to appear before the board?

Mr. .GORDON: No charge as such is contemplated by the act. A complaint is made to an officer who as defined by the act, may include the municipal clerk of a village, town or city, an officer of the department or a peace officer. A complaint is made and then the inquiry is set on foot. After the case is heard pro and con, a report is made to the minister, and if in the minister's judgment the board of inquiry has come to a proper conclusion, and if the person whose case is being investigated, has rendered himself liable, under the provisions of the statute, to being returned to his country of origin, appropriate action is taken.

Topic:   DEPORTATION CASES
Subtopic:   ARRESTS AND PROCEEDINGS UNDER PROVISIONS OF IMMIGRATION ACT
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IMPERIAL ECONOMIC CONFERENCE


On the orders of the day:


CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Prime Minister):

The leader of the opposition asked me yesterday to fix a day for the discussion of the estimates with respect to the Imperial conference. I think the item is under the heading of miscellaneous in the main estimates. If Tuesday will be satisfactory, we

shall take it up on that day. If some other day will better suit the convenience of hon. gentlemen opposite, we can arrange accordingly.

Topic:   IMPERIAL ECONOMIC CONFERENCE
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Leader of the Opposition):

Tuesday will be wholly satisfactory. I thank my right hon. friend.

Topic:   IMPERIAL ECONOMIC CONFERENCE
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DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE


Hon. E. N. RHODES (Minister of Finance) moved the second reading of Bill No. 66, respecting the Department of Insurance.


May 6, 1932