April 22, 1932

IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Would the term "relatives" include only wives and children, or does it include other relations?

(Mr. Neill.]

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Wives and children and a few brothers and sisters.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

There are a few other relatives.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

I am reminded of the maid who, caught in the kitchen with a policeman, always explains the situation by saying it was her cousin. Why have these people suddenly left their relations in the old country to come out here? Even if the figure is smaller than I have stated, and after all I took the minister's own figure, even though it is only 6,000, that is 6,000 too many. It is folly's crown of follies, to bring out more people at the present time, and the government should restrict all immigration until a brighter day dawns.

We are unable to find out just what means the government intends to adopt to remedy the present situation. We have to go to the columns of the newspapers for information. When we inquire on the floor of the house we 'are snubbed and told that we will receive the information at the government's pleasure. The newspapers state that the government is going to give only direct relief, no work and is looking into the question of unemployment insurance, but when we ask a question in the house we receive no satisfaction or information. We are left to glean our information from the columns of the press in some distant part of the dominion.

Under present conditions I repeat that for the moment we should regretfully reject the entry of any brothers, sisters or cousins from Great Britain, allowing only wives and minor children.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Mr. Chairman, I am not particularly interested at this time in the immigration of Anglo Saxon or European people, but I am concerned with the immigration of Asiatics into British Columbia. The minister will remember that last year I brought up the subject and stated I believed that over 40 per cent of the Japanese in British Columbia had entered illegally. The minister told me that he had no knowledge or information concerning that fact. Since that time my statement has been corroborated, because the Royal Canadian Mounted Police have been carrying on investigations, I assume, in collaboration with the minister.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

They were under way at that time.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I am glad to hear that, although the information came to me after I had spoken in the house. The following are extracts from newspaper articles dealing with these investigations :

Supply-I mviigra tion

Yoshi, who had been an Immigration department interpreter for sixteen years before his arrest last July, was convicted mainly on the strength of silent witnesses, a mass of documents put in as exhibits during the two-day trial by Hon. R. I,. Maitland, K..C., acting for the Dominion government.

The plot, evidence showed, was almost detection-proof. Faked naturalization papers were forwarded to Yoshi's fellow-racketeers in Yokohama, Jinno, Moehizuki and Maruyama.

This trio rustled up "business" among Japanese seeking entry to Canada, saw that they got passports. provided them with spurious naturalization certificates, coached them as to what they should say when they met immigration authorities at Vancouver.

Then the "tip" was cabled to Yoshi, according to the evidence of the documents. As interpreter for the department he met the boats, translated questions into Japanese for the immigration inspectors, translated the newcomers' answers into English.

_ It was not necessary, the crown claimed, for Yoshi to interpret incorrectly, for the immigrants had already been prepared as to what to tell the inspectors.

Now comes the serious part:

Further testimony showed that the "racket" was so highly organized that a regular scale of prices had been set. In correspondence the aliens were referred to as "pieces of cargo," and the approximate price for one "piece" was $150.

I have four questions to ask in connection with this matter. First, how many cases were investigated? Second, how many deportations took place as a result of the investigation? Third, is the investigation still proceeding? Fourth, what steps are being taken to prevent a repetition of this kind of business?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I have not the figures as

to the number of people who were deported following the investigation. I may say for the information of the hon. member that very shortly after I took over the administration of the department, in making a general review as to how things were going, I concluded there was something wrong in Vancouver. The officers of the department had had the port under observation, and the investigation referred to was then in progress-not by any means an easy investigation to carry to success. I trust the reference to Mr. Maitland as being a member of the British Columbia legislature is not to his disadvantage.

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LIB
CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I found him to be a very

eminent counsel.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

As a result of the investigation, Yoshi, who had acted as interpreter for

fifteen years, is now in the penitentiary. Investigations are going on constantly. I have enlisted the help of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and we hope to minimize illegal entries. I may say the Japanese are not by any means the only race who enter this and other countries in defiance of immigration laws. With respect to the observations made by the member for Comox-Alberni, I need only repeat that I cannot agree with him that where a man has been legally admitted and is found to be doing well we should prevent his wife and children joining him.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

That is the policy at the present time with respect to the immigration to which reference has been made. We are certainly investigating each case to ensure that unemployment or destitution will not occur by reason of a man's wife and family being allowed to join him.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

I do not wish to tell the

minister his own business, but I happened to make an investigation with regard to the Japanese, and I understood that twenty have already been deported in consequence of the investigations made by the department, that further cases are being investigated and possibly fifty or sixty Japanese who came in by this particular form of "racketting," as the member for New Westminster said, through the collusion of this particular Japanese crook, will be deported. It emphasizes what I have said in the past. I believe the department is now going to adopt the principle that I advocated some years ago. I said at that time it was a mistake to have exclusively Japanese interpreters. I always held it was possible to get white men who could speak the oriental languages. I understand the department are now taking steps to this end, which will shut off that avenue of fraud in the future.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I am glad the member for

Comox-Alberni has mentioned the matter, because I think it is advisable that a Canadian immigration inspector who can speak the Japanese language should be chosen for the position of interpreter. In view of the fact that the bars are up against Europeans and who might very well become good citizens, has the minister considered the advisability of something being done to prevent the entry of Asiatics? Their standard of living is lower than ours, British Columbia appears almost a paradise to them, and their entry is bound to be detrimental to our people.

Supply-Immigration

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

The only Asiatics who are permitted to enter Canada at the present time are the wives, and children under eighteen years of age, of Canadian citizens presently residing in Canada, who have been legally admitted to Canada, and who on investigation are found to be ready and willing and able to receive and care for their relatives.

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IND

Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

What about the gentleman's

agreement with reference to the Japanese?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Labour; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I had not that in . mind when making the statement. I think every member is acquainted with the agreement entered into with Japan, which contemplates the entry of 150 Japanese each year.

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April 22, 1932