April 12, 1932

PRO

Archibald M. Carmichael

Progressive

Mr. A. M. CARMICHAEL (Kindersley):

Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry to make of the Postmaster General (Mr. Sauve), but as he is not in his place, possibly the Prime Minister (Mr. Bennett) can give me the information I desire. If not, my question can stand as a notice to be answered to-morrow. I have received a letter from the postmaster at Plato, which is in my constituency. This man is paid on a commission basis and because of abnormal conditions the revenue of his post office has decreased over 16 per cent while his own revenue has decreased over 12 per cent. He understands that he will be subject to the ten per cent reduction in addition to the decrease in revenue. My question is: Are

postmasters paid on a commission basis to be subject to the ten per cent reduction as provided in Bill 19 and, if so, will special consideration be given to those who have already received a drastic cut in their revenues?

Topic:   THE PUBLIC SERVICE
Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. E. N. RHODES (Minister of Finance):

Unfortunately, I did not hear the first portion of the hon. member's question but I will look it up in Hansard and give him an answer to-morrow.

BEAUHARNOIS POWER PROJECT On the orders of the day:

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (West Edmonton):

Mr. Speaker, may I inquire of the Prime Minister (Mr. Bennett) when he will be prepared to make a statement on Beauhamois?

Topic:   THE PUBLIC SERVICE
Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Prime Minister) :

Just as soon as I am possessed of sufficient information to enable me to do so.

I have not the required information and there have been delays in obtaining it over which I have no control.

Topic:   THE PUBLIC SERVICE
Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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IND

Joseph Henri Napoléon Bourassa

Independent

Mr. BOURASSA:

Is there anything left?

Topic:   THE PUBLIC SERVICE
Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I suppose the valley of

humiliation is still left.

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Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

We would

be content with a partial statement.

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Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That is just what I do

not want to make.

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Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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LIB

Charles A. Stewart

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

I do not

understand my right hon. friend's position; of course, he can refuse to make a statement, but this is of great importance to some hon. members. I should like to have an answer to the question I asked three weeks ago as to what amount had been guaranteed for advances to the Beauharnois company.

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Subtopic:   APPLICATION OF TEN PER CENT DEDUCTION TO POSTMASTERS PAID BY COMMISSION
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THE BUDGET

CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE


The house resumed from Monday, April 11, consideration of the motion of Hon. E. N. Rhodes (Minister of Finance) that Mr. Speaker do now leave the chair for the house to go into committee of way and means, and the proposed amendment thereto of Mr. Ralston.


LIB

William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Hon. W. R. MOTHERWELL (Melville):

Mr. Speaker, my first word also will be one of congratulation to the Minister of Finance (Mr. Rhodes) on the very excellent and handsome manner in which he delivered his first budget to this house. Of course, this is said without prejudice to anything further I may say in connection with the substance matter thereof. I think it is all right also to extend congratulations to my colleague, the hon. member for Shelburne-Yarmouth (Mr. Ralston) for I am sure that all hon. members in this house believe he delivered a very excellent and even brilliant speech. I think he made it very difficult for the hon. gentleman who followed him to do full justice to the share

The Budget-Mr. Motherwell

he took in the debate. The other two hon. gentlemen who spoke were too remote from where I sit to be heard distinctly, but from what I did hear, they were both quite all right from their respective viewpoints.

Before I go on with my own little story regarding the budget, I should like to refer to two or three outstanding points raised by the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. . Stevens). He has fallen into the error into which so many others have fallen of assuming that at one time the policy of the Liberal party had been in favour of free trade.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

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CON

Victor Clarence Porteous

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PORTEOUS:

What did he say about trade balances?

The Budget-Mr. Motherwell

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I think I heard a remark somewhere. Do I spy a stranger in the gallery?

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CON

Victor Clarence Porteous

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PORTEOUS:

What is that swat?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

That is like some sepulchral sound one would hear at a funeral. Last Wednesday there certainly was a funeral-like story, but it is over now. I desire to draw the attention of the house, if I may, to some of the remarks made in the speech from the throne. Because of the hopes that were held out in that speech, I think we should have expected to receive a brighter and better budget. Let me read a few extracts from the speech from the throne:

This period of trial has shown the Canadian situation to he fundamentally sound.

If it is, what are we worrying about?

Canada still maintains its high place in world commerce.

I am just afraid that statement is not quite correct. My colleague, the hon. member for Shelburne-Yarmouth, told us that the foreign trade of Canada had been cut nearly in two during the last two or three years, reduced from 12,000,000,000 to nearly $1,000,000,000. Yet this is put into the mouth of His Excellency, notwithstanding that horrible decline. It is easy to satisfy hon. gentlemen who can congratulate themselves on having one-half of the world trade that they used to have.

As regards this last quotation, I know what we would have called it when we used to go to school, but I cannot say it in this house.

The provisions made at the last session of parliament for unemployment and farm relief are proving effective.

The effective nature of it is that the situation is getting worse; it is effective in that respect; it is becoming progressively worse.

I notice members on the other side are disappearing gradually. That last quotation is a real corker. If these statements were all warranted, surely we would have had a different kind of budget; that is the reason why I am drawing attention to them. This is another paragraph in the speech from the throne:

You are successfully meeting difficult domestic problems.

I think the rank and file of Canadians are, but I do not think the government is. Conditions are gradually improving.

I think that is the climax.

I come now to the budget. I shall say this much for it: it is much less objectionable and offensive in some respects than the last one, and more so in others. It will be remembered

Topic:   THE BUDGET
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

And that is in addition to the tariff.

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April 12, 1932