April 7, 1932

UFA
CON

Murray MacLaren (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

There is a reduction all around this year in view of the financial stringency.

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UFA

George Gibson Coote

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. COOTE:

The financial stringency is

driving [DOT] some people almost out of their minds; in fact, some men in this country have been driven insane because, of it. How the financial stringency can be given as an excuse for reducing thi-s grant by over fifty per cent is beyond my imagination.

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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

If we receive no better explanation from the minister than we have had I am opposed to the item carrying.

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Item agreed to. Grant to the interparliamentary union, $540.


UFA
CON

Murray MacLaren (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

For some reason it has been put forward by my department for

several years. That is the only explanation I can give. I might mention that I happen to be president of the Canadian branch just now, and when we have our annual meeting I hope that everyone will be present.

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UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

May I

suggest to the minister quite respectfully that he might just as well out out this vote. It is only $540 anyhow for the interparliamentary union, and members of parliament whose indemnities have already been cut can stand the .cutting out of this small sum. It will mot be missed, aind we could add that much to the vote for the blind.

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UFA

George Gibson Coote

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. COOTE:

Will this add anything to

the health of the country?

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Item agreed to.


DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE


Administration of Justice-Exchequer Court of Canada-contingencies-judges' and court officials' travelling expenses, remuneration to sheriffs, etc., printing, stationery, etc., and $150 for judges' books, $7,500. Printing, binding and distributing court reports, $3,000.


UFA

Alfred Speakman

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPEAKMAN:

I want to ask a question which may properly come under 'this vote. There are occasions when private citizens, having or thinking they have a claim against the crown, wish to proceed against some body representing the crown, and I understand that before they can do so a fiat must be granted by the Department of Justice permitting them to bring suit. The question arose through a request made to me by one of our returned men. He had got into some dispute with the pension commission and he was under the impression-I am not familiar with all the details-that he was being wrongfully refused payment of pension after thei act had been complied with to the extent of the pension itself being granted in part. He was then advised that the nest step 'to be taken was to proceed against the pension commission, and that in order to do that he had to secure a fiat from the Department of Justice permitting him to bring suit. I am not familiar with the procedure, and I should be glad if the minister would tell me first whether, under any circumstances, suit of tha't nature may be brought ; if so, is it necessary first to secure a fiat? Also, what procedure must be followed in order to make application for that fiat? If the minister can answer that it will enable me to reply to the inquiries made.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Minister of Justice) :

All actions or suits against the crown

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can be commenced only by a fiat permitting action to be brought. I do not know the facts of the case to which my hon. friend has referred, but he may take it as the law generally that no suit can be entertained against the crown without the consent of the crown, which is the fiat. Application for a fiat is made to the Minister of Justice, and when granted suit can be brought in the exchequer court. In any reasonable case a fiat is never withheld.

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UFA

Alfred Speakman

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPEAKMAN:

Thank you. If that is the case a person wishing to apply for a fiat simply communicates with the Minister of Justice stating his case and making his request?

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

There is a form of petition submitted when a request is made for a fiat. A petition is filed, and then on the recommendation of the minister His Excellency the Governor General endorses it, "Let right be done." That is the fiat.

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UFA

Alfred Speakman

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPEAKMAN:

A copy of the petition may be secured from the Department of Justice?

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

The form of petition is in accordance with the rules of the exchequer court, which are available to anybody.

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Item agreed to.


April 7, 1932