March 30, 1932

LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

If my hon. friend will

listen to me, the foreman is appointed on the recommendation of the district engineer for the federal Department of Public Works. Because I was frank enough to say that I would like to have an investigation, my hon. friend seems to think that I am not quite convinced of the soundness of the case I am presenting.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I do not

say that.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

What I say and what I

said before is that I received my information from a number of different sources which I believe to be reliable, and when I state that according to the information a storekeeper is selected for work of this kind and that men with bank accounts in different places in the constituency I represent are being put on the work, I say that the burden is on my right hon. friend to have an investigation and find out who is making these selections, because the men selected and given the work are not the men for whom the money was voted at all.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I thought the hon. gentleman said that the district engineer made the recommendations.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I know that the district

engineer made the recommendations, but of course he made them on the recommendations of the local patronage committee. That is what he always does.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That is

what he did when you were minister.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Certainly he did, and I

am not making any objection to that system when you are dealing with ordinary federal public works. I have never objected to that system in the case of ordinary federal public works. I have taken my medicine, if you like to put it that way, and when I have been administering patronage people have been selected who have been favourable to the government. But that is not what we are dealing with here. We are dealing with relief to the needy. The Prime Minister stated so himself. He said that the relief of the needy is what we are after. Under these circumstances you cannot have the same system that prevails under what is known as the ordinary political patronage system. That is what I am saying. I say to my right hon. friend that

so long as you use the ordinary organization, with the local district political patronage committee selecting the foreman, and the foreman consulting with the committee to find out what men he should put on the pay-roll and what men he should not, you cannot have a fair administration of the act.

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CON

John Thomas Hackett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HACKETT:

Is the method followed in Nova Scotia any different from that followed in the other provinces?-in Quebec, for instance, where the municipalities alone select the men upon whom these moneys are to be spent, and by whom the work is to be done?

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I have never heard in my constituency of the municipalities making any selection of that kind whatsoever.

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CON

John Thomas Hackett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HACKETT:

Is not the work done by the municipalities?

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

No. The work is either direct federal public work or work contributed to by the provincial and federal administrations. I know of no instance where the work has been municipal. When my right hon. friend has that machinery he cannot expect it to work properly. There would be no use having the most .pious regulations in the world. Therefore I submit he has to revise his method and select some sort of impartial committee, or the overseers of the poor, or a citizens' committee. I wrote to the provincial director of unemployment, Mr. Spicer, and made that suggestion to him. I said, "Get the services of the overseers of the poor; they know the poor and those who need work. They are the people to make selections. Or, if that is not satisfactory, let the Red Cross or a local citizens' committee do the work." He wrote back and said he did not think-

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LIB

James Houston Spence

Liberal

Mr. SPENCE:

Get a good Liberal.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Well, if we had one or two Liberals out of ten or twenty it would not be so bad. I assure hon. members opposite that even some of the Liberals are needy. I made the suggestion to Mr. Spicer and he wrote back saying he was not sure that the men suggested by overseers of the poor would be the best for the work. I assure you, Mr. Chairman it is better to spend unemployment relief money for those who are needy even though some might not do as efficient work rather than for those who do not need assistance.

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LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

What kind of work was it?

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Work on breakwaters,

wharves and roads. '

Unemployment Continuance Act

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CON

Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I know I should not interrupt my hon. friend but I should like to ask what portion of the relief moneys in the province of Nova Scotia is expended on wharves and breakwaters such as he has suggested? I should like to ask this further question: Is it not true that 97 per cent of the foremen appointed by engineers in Halifax responsible for the construction of the breakwaters were appointed by a Liberal administration? Is that not so?

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Mr. Chairman, shall we return to the question before us?

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CON

Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I should like an answer.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I do not know how much money was spent on wharves and breakwaters. The minister may be able to tell my hon. friend. I should think that in the western end of Nova Scotia about $50,000 has been spent on wharves and breakwaters.

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CON

Isaac Duncan MacDougall

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDOUGALL:

I want to tell my hon. friend that this government spent $148,000 in the constituency represented by my hon. friend.

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March 30, 1932