June 26, 1931

LAB
CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

Yes. Since I have been at the head of the department I have signed one permit, and that is all. It was a meritorious case, that of a student coming to one of our universities.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Can the minister tell us if

Japanese coming from Hawaii enter Canada as citizens of the United States or citizens of Japan? Great numbers come from Japan to Hawaii, from Hawaii to the United States and from the United States to British Columbia.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I am told there are no

Japanese coming from the Hawaiian islands; they must come from Japan. I do not know where the hon. member got his information.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Quite a few thousand came

into British Columbia at one time from Hawaii. In one year 5,000 came in from the Hawaiian islands.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

That was about 1907 or

1608?

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LIB
CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

The first agreement was

entered into because of the large number that were coming in. Under the first agreement from 400 to 500 came in yearly. Then in 1928 the agreement was revised by the late government and the number was cut down to about 150 a year. That is the agreement under which we are operating at present.

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LIB
CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I am instructed no

Japanese have come from Hawaii for many years.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

My information is that they

are given papers in the United States and come right through to British Columbia.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

There have been no complaints to the department since I have been in charge. I shall inquire, however.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Very well. I shall be satisfied if the minister looks into the matter.

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

If the condition described

by the hon. member exists, it will be properly investigated.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

I desire to enter

a protest against the attitude of some of the hon. members towards orientals. I do not want unrestricted immigration by any means. I do not think however that we help our international problems by maintaining an at-

titude such as that which has been evidenced to-night by some hon. members from British Columbia. We must remember that the oriental nations are great nations on the other side of the Pacific ocean with which we hope to develop trade relations. If we are too harsh in such matters there is a possibility of provoking a feeling of resentment on their part. I hope we will not deal too vigilantly with the people who happen to live in the oriental countries.

I wish particularly to refer to the nonencouragement of immigrants from Great Britain. The minister has made no statement concerning juvenile immigrants. I wish to invite his attention to a question passed as an order for return which appeared on the order paper under my name, and which has not yet been answered. On page 2966 of Hansard of June 24, I find the question:

Is the British Immigration and Colonization Association now operating under the administration of the Department of Immigration?

And the further question:

Is the policy to bring more British boys to Canada?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I think I can answer my

hon. friend's questions. Last fall I received information from premiers of the different provinces as to how many boys those provinces could absorb. The province of Ontario asked for 200. Saskatchewan at first asked for 60, but I pointed out that I thought it desirable to cut the number down to 40. At the present time I am not sure whether they have received 38 or 40. The western provinces, with the exception of Saskatchewan, did not think that they should have any boys this year, so none came. Quebec took the same stand; New Brunswick wanted 150 and Nova Scotia 75 boys.

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LAB
CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

In Saskatchewan the government and the Church of England; in Ontario the Catholic Immigration Society, the Y.M.C.A. and some other religious and charitable organizations joined with the Ontario government to take care of 200 boys. As to the maritimes, I am not at present seized of the facts. But the movement of boys has been restricted to the desires of the provinces. I thought that was a fairly safe method to adopt this year.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Is the British

Immigration and Colonization Association operating under the government?

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CON

Wesley Ashton Gordon (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GORDON:

I have not the papers

before me to go fully into the history of

Privilege-Mr. Bell (Hamilton)

the association, but it was started about eight years ago with a view to bringing boys from Great Britain to Canada. At first their funds came mainly from British sources and were supplemented by some voluntary subscriptions by people in Canada. Later the railway companies, the British Empire Settlement board and the Canadian government contributed to the expenses of bringing the boys here and for their after care on arrival. The association operated under a dominion charter. About a year ago it fell on rather difficult times, in fact I am instructed that from its inception there was apparently a lack of business capacity on the part of the board of directors. At any rate, the money subscribed from the sources I have indicated was exhausted earlier than it should have been, with the result that late last year the company found itself in financial difficulties, and under obligation to a number of boys whom they were to look after for a certain time after their arrival in Canada. Confronted with that position last October and November, in conjunction with the heads of the department who look after colonization, I had an interview with the railway companies-they had contributed considerably more than we had to the association's funds- and we came to the conclusion that we would have practically to take over the work. We accepted the resignation of the directors, and in order to save the expense of setting up a new organization, the Canadian Pacific Railway Company and the Canadian National Railways supplied a certain number of the staff from their own colonization departments, and my department supplied a man who is very well qualified to carry on work of this character. That is the method we are now employing in carrying on the institution.

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June 26, 1931