June 26, 1931

CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Minister of Justice) :

I should like to make just one observation in regard to this question. After taking part in and observing a great many votes taken in this house, I am inclined to think that part of the difficulty arises from the disorder in the chamber while the vote is being taken. I think if Your Honour would point out the necessity of obeying the rules of the house ip would help very materially. During the vote members move around; they walk from one seat to another; they enter this chamber when they should not do so. Conversation takes place all over the chamber while the vote is being recorded, and I can understand mistakes occurring by reason of this disorder. If the rules of the house in regard to keeping order while the vote is being taken were obeyed, I think time could be saved and many mistakes obviated.

Topic:   RULES OF THE HOUSE
Subtopic:   REPORT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE IN TAKING DIVISIONS
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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL:

Did the committee give

consideration to the question of members voting or abstaining from voting, or was that not considered?

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CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister Without Portfolio)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

That was not

included in the reference.

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CON

Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

But that was the reason for the appointment of the committee.

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CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister Without Portfolio)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

That question was not contained in the terms of reference at all.

Hon. W D. EULER (North Waterloo): As a member of that committee who was not present at the meetings at which a decision was made, certainly I do not care to criticize the outcome of the last meeting. I was present at the first meeting, which was attended by all the members of the committee. I am afraid that was not the case at the second meeting, because some of the members, including myself, had to be present at other rather important committee meetings.

I must admit being rather disappointed with the result. At the first meeting we did canvass the various methods of taking a vote. I think perhaps the one which appealed most of all was the method of pressing a button. That system was examined; apparently it was not approved, but if it could have been adopted certainly it would have saved practically all the time now required to take a vote. I am told that a vote could be recorded in the space of half a minute, and this would result in a very substantial saving of time.

Then we thought of adopting the method of the roll call, whereby the names are called in alphabetical order. I think this method also would save a great deal of time. Then we discussed the method followed in the British parliament, where members pass out into lobbies, where thev record their votes

Royal Grain Commission

My reason for being disappointed is that it seems to me the change suggested saves practically no time at all. If I understand what the hon. member has said, it saves merely the time which otherwise would be consumed by the clerk at the conclusion of the taking of the vote, which to my recollection is not more than one minute. It seems to me that the committee has not accomplished very much if that is the total result. I would like to second the view of the hon. member for Antigonish-Guysborough (Mr. Duff) that the motion might be allowed to stand for the present. I would like to inquire whether or not the committee was fully attended, but not meaning to infer that if some of us had been present the results obtained would have been more valuable.

Mr. DUFF moved the adjournment of the debate.

Topic:   RULES OF THE HOUSE
Subtopic:   REPORT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE IN TAKING DIVISIONS
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Motion agreed to.


INTERPRETATION ACT AMENDMENT


Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Minister of Justice) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 105, to amend the Interpretation Act. Motion agreed to and bill read the first time. WEST LAMBTON CENSUS On the orders of the day:


CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for West Lambton (Mr. Gray) yesterday asked a question in connection with a return. This return was passed on June 17, was completed to-day and has been handed to the Secretary of State (Mr. Cahan) to be presented to the house in due course, presumably on Monday.

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ROYAL GRAIN COMMISSION

CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN COMMISSION AND GOVERNMENT AS TO APPENDIX XII


On the orders of the day:


UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. E. J. GARLAND (Bow River):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the importance of the discussion which took place yesterday on the Stamp report, may I be permitted to ask the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Stevens) if he will table any correspondence, letters, telegrams and documents passing between Commissioner Justice Brown, Commissioner Sanford Evans and Mr. Pearson, the secretary of the commission, and any member TMr. Euler.]

of the government with regard to the adding of appendix XII to the report. Such information would facilitate the passing of the minister's estimates.

Topic:   ROYAL GRAIN COMMISSION
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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I am not

aware of any such correspondence but I will investigate and will table that which it is proper to table.

Topic:   ROYAL GRAIN COMMISSION
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN COMMISSION AND GOVERNMENT AS TO APPENDIX XII
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REMUNERATION PAID TO MR. SANFORD EVANS FOR HIS SERVICES

LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. R. W. GRAY (West Lambton):

Mr. Speaker, during the discussion last evening in connection with the Stamp report the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Stevens) promised that before the orders of the day were called to-day he would give the house the amount of remuneration paid to Mr. Sanford Evans for his services in that connection.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I do not think that I promised that I would do that to-day, although I am in possession of certain additional information which is not quite complete. I understand that certain expenses have been paid, but I have not the accurate information before me.

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LIB

Ross Wilfred Gray

Liberal

Mr. GRAY:

Will the minister give that

to the house later on?

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Yes.

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PRINTING OF EVIDENCE

June 26, 1931