May 29, 1931

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Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

You are here as a result of those complaints.

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John Howard Myers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MYERS:

I can assure the hon. gentleman that we hear very few complaints in the maritime provinces.

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John Howard Myers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MYERS:

Well, the Duncan commission was all right. But I am not going to be sidetracked by my hon. friend. I may tell him, however, so far as the maritime provinces are concerned, that they cannot register as many complaints to the square inch as I have heard from western members this winter.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Some of them.

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John Howard Myers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MYERS:

Well, yes; there are some

good fellows among them. Now, Mr. Chairman, we are here to-day not to play to the gallery nor to make long speeches. Such speeches are utterly useless to those who are looking for an improved quality of butter and better prices. What we are here for now is to decide whether we will or will not vote the sum of $5,000 for the National Dairy Council to carry on their work. In eastern Canada we regard the National Dairy Council as a very important body, and I should not for one moment have the bravery to go on any platform in that part of the dominion, whether at an agricultural or at a political meeting, or a meeting of any other kind in which farmers were concerned, and advocate doing away with the National Dairy Council.

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John Howard Myers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MYERS:

I believe the hon. member

for Weyburn himself moved a resolution to the effect that the money which will enable the council to carry on their work for the coming year be not voted. If that is not doing away with the National Dairy Council, I should like to know what it means. And let me tell the hon. member for Weyburn here and now that his resolution will make very good reading for Tory politicians when the next federal election comes round. Let us act sensibly. Let us get on with our work.

Let us have done with this foolishness and pass the estimate as it has been passed every year for possibly the last twenty years. It is not different this year from what it was before. The items that the Minister of Agriculture has under his hand follow very closely the items that were voted in the house for the ex-Minister of Agriculture during the last nine years.

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Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I shall not say very much, but may I be permitted to read the autobiography of my hon. friend as it appears in the Canadian Parliamentary Guide?

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Olof Hanson

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Hanson, York-Sunbury):

No; the hon. member would be

out of order. The item under discussion is dairying. The hon. member will confine himself to this item. He has already taken up a great deal of time on this item and I would ask him to confine his remarks strictly to the item under discussion.

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Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your guiding decision. I shall give to the house the reasons why I am interested in the butter question, and I believe that, doing so, I shall be quite in order. The main reason why I come to the house to study these questions is that I represent many farmers. When an hon. member makes a statement in the house to a certain effect, it must be true or not; it must be exact or not; it must be accurate or not. When it is accurate, when it is exact, when it is true, the hon. member must be given credit for it, and whenever it is inexact, whenever it is untrue, then the other party must prove that it is so. Unless that is done, the truth remains in the statement that has already been made. I believe I am quite clear.

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Olof Hanson

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN (Mr. Hanson, York-Sun-bury):

So far the hon. gentleman is not in

order; he has not been discussing the item before the chair, and I ask him to confine his remarks to the item under discussion or else resume his seat.

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

Before the item passes, I should like to put on record information that I promised to produce to-day. The apparent difference between the information produced by the former Minister of Agriculture and that produced by the hon. member for South Hastings (Mr. Tummon) was due to the fact that it was obtained from two different sources. There are two different organizations: one known as the agricultural branch of the bureau of statistics, and the other the dairy branch of the Department of Agriculture. Each of these issues estimates as to the production of milk

Supply-Agriculture-Dairying

year by year, on a different basis. The discrepancy betwen the estimates- became so marked about the year 1928 that the agricultural branch of the bureau of statistics revised their method of making their estimates. This revision was published in the December bulletin of 1929 and it was due to that report that the hon. member for South Hastings made the statement that the agricultural branch of the bureau of statistics had gone back over the preceding years to 1925 and increased the record of the number of pounds of milk produced during those years. I have the information under my hand, as follows:

Year

1925

1927

First

estimate

pounds

Revised

estimate

pounds

12,318,537,907

12,651,388,490

13,407.340,257

13.060,242,293

14,386,103,567

14,591,873,188

14,825,821,086

14,512,897,961

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I hesitated about that, but that is the information I have.

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Charles Edward Bothwell

Liberal

Mr. BOTHWELL:

I obtained the figures from the bureau of statistics, and the revised figures as they were given to me are as follows:

Revised figures

Year pounds

1925 14,380,000,000

1926 14,591.000,000

1927 14.825,000,000

1928.. ..[DOT] 14,512,000,000

1929 14,349,000,000

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

I stand corrected. The mistake is due to the manner in which the figures appear with relation to the lines on this paper, but the figures were so evidently opposite 1924 that I gave them as of that year. In the figures I gave, for 1924 it should read 1925; for 1925 it should read 1926 and so on.

The information received by the former Minister of Agriculture from the dairy branch is as follows:

Pounds of milk

Year produced in Canada

1921 9,863,324,358

1922 9,847,932,218

1923 11,765,564,229

1924 12,045,078,272

1925 12,539,076,384

1926 13,434,655,909

1927 14,112,064,240

1928 14,512,897,961

1929 14,349,023,000

There was another piece of information that I was asked to obtain, and that was the year in which butter had reached a price as low as it is at the present time. There are no

records in the department as to that, but we were able to get the information from publications that we believe to be reliable. In 1906 the price of butter was 18-25, and in 1904, 14-75.

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Charles-Philippe Beaubien

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BEAUBIEN:

Are the revised figures

which the minister has just given the actual figures? .

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Robert Weir (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WEIR (Melfort):

They are just an

estimate.

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May 29, 1931