May 30, 1930

LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

No action has been taken.

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Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I have asked if action

is contemplated. That is the question I asked, and I have a right to ask it.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The representations have

not been considered.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

That does not answer my question. Does my hon. friend propose to give effect to those representations?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

My hon. friend knows perfectly well that that would be a matter of policy, and that no one minister could make a definite statement in regard to it. Representations have been made and received, and have not been considered.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Now, does the minister

think that we have no idea of what is involved in that?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I cannot read my hon.

friend's mind.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

No. but my hon. friend

will understand his language. We can have no difficulty in understanding what is behind this; none whatever. Surely the hon. members who come from Saskatchewan and members to my left will have some interest in this matter, if they believe in what they have been talking about so far as protection is

concerned. The hon. gentleman says representations have been made to him. Were they made to him through the chairman of the tariff board?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Then the representations

which were made to the tariff board in connection with it have nothing to do with the representations made to him. Is that clear?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

What were the representations?

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The hon. gentleman asks what the representations were. They were representations in connection with varying rates of discount that were made by importers of goods into this country, and it was suggested that a uniform rate might be established on such importations for tariff purposes. The hon. gentleman at once sees what the effect of that would be; it would change the whole incidence of taxation with respect to given matters. Is the incidence of taxation to be changed by order in council with respect to automobiles? That is the question I asked.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

The question is really one

of administration. My hon. friend knows very well that as a matter of administration, when difficulty might be experienced in establishing what the discounts are to be, the government would have power to establish certain rates of discount. Certain difficulties do exist. I am not prepared to say that they exist to such a degree that we would be justified by order in council in establishing a certain uniform rate of discount. It does not follow either that if a certain fixed rate of discount were adopted it would increase the protection.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I did not say anything

about increasing protection.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

It might reduce it, as a

matter of fact. The matter would have to be considered from the point of view of the administration of the department itself. No action has been taken at all.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I will ask this: Have

these varying rates of discount existed now for the first time or have they existed for the last three years?

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

For a long time; and I can

tell my hon. friend that it has been constantly necessary, in order that we might ascertain the actual prices in the country of origin, to make investigations in the United States to see whether those rates actually correspond with the rates made to apply when the goods are ex-

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ported to Canada. That constitutes a fairly serious consideration. Because I have come to no decision at all in regard to the matter,

I am not saying that these difficulties are so great as to render it impossible for the department to administer the law. I have no intention of taking or recommending action until I am quite convinced I am within the law and that it will be what seems to me in the best interests of all concerned.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

What right has the minister to raise the price? If it had not been for what happened in this country by regulation I would not be presenting this matter to the house and country for consideration. Let us look at the matter fairly. The other day a regulation was read over the signature of Mx. Breadner, the Commissioner of Customs, increasing by 40 per cent the price at which furniture was to be valued for duty purposes- forty per cent, mind you. I ask the minister where he finds authority to do that, when the dumping clause places a limit of 15 per cent.

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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

My hon. friend knows very

well that when the department of customs has reason to believe or perhaps even to know that goods are being imported into this country at a value less than they hold in the country of origin we have the absolute right to make an appraisal, pending the establishment of the facts which we believe to exist. If after the establishing of the fact we find that we are wrong, the valuation is placed upon its proper basis and a refund is made. That is what was done in the case of furniture. We had reason to think that furniture was imported from the southern United States or from the central southern United States at less than cost. I think my hon. friend knows that to be the fact.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I do not know it; I only know what has been said.

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May 30, 1930