May 29, 1930

CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

I had not previously had an

opportunity to read through the act, but I notice that in the definitions it is stated that maple syrup may not contain more than 35 per cent of water, and a gallon of maple syrup shall weigh not less than thirteen pounds, two ounces, and shall contain 277-274 cubic inches. Then section 4 says:

Any person who sells or offers, exposes or holds in possession for sale in Canada, or ships or causes to be shipped any maple sugar or maple syrup found to be adulterated or to fail to comply with the provisions of this act or of the regulations thereunder, shall be deemed to be guilty of a violation of this act.

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Maple Sugar Industry

If the owner of a sugar bush produces a certain * amount of syrup and it does not contain the exact weight prescribed by this act, he is subject to a penalty of $300. I think that is going a great deal too far, I would like to know whether my understanding of the act is right or wrong.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

He must bring the quality up to the required standard. This business has been exploited by various institutions for a great many years, and this is the first attempt that has been made to regulate the industry. The restrictions have to be of such a nature that they will eliminate the abuses and protect the genuine article. That is the object of this bill. There must be some provision regarding the quality of the product.

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CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

How are these people going

to tell whether the syrup they produce complies exactly with the provisions of this act or not? How are they going to test their product?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I understand that there will be no difficulty about it. Scientists have discovered ways of testing it.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

I am very

anxious that nothing but the real article should be sold as maple sugar or maple syrup, and so far as the manufacturing plants are concerned, the provisions are all right, but when it comes to regulating and inspecting all the little places where the original maple sap is produced, I would warn the minister to go very slowly. I think it is absolutely impossible for him to inspect these places all over the country.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

What would the hon.

member suggest to secure the purpose that he himself says is desirable?

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

I am in favour

of this bill but I would warn the minister against interfering with those who actually produce the original article.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We will go gently. We are always lenient at the start in connection with all these restrictive measures.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

I can understand that the large producers want this legislation. But the adulteration very seldom takes place where the sap is produced. It takes place afterwards, and again I warn the minister against attempting to regulate the places where the sap is produced in the first instance.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

May I direct the attention of the Solicitor General to sections 16 and 17, whereby the minister is empowered once more to make regulations and promulgate them. Those who violate them are liable to be fined $300, and to be sent to gaol if they do not pay the fine. Surely we should have the regulations published in the Gazette before they become operative.

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LIB
CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Naturally, but I am

talking about notice being given. The Solicitor General was good enough the other evening to accept my suggestion with respect to another bill.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

All these regulations are published in the Gazette.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

But I want it stated in the statute that the regulations shall only become effective so many days after they are published, so that men will not be violating the law unknowingly. I have not prepared a clause, but the Solicitor General knows the sort of clause that I think should be added here.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

How many inspectors of various kinds has the department appointed since the present minister took charge of the department? Has he any idea?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

No more than were absolutely necessary. These inspectors will come under the Fruit branch.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

It is a question whether all the appointments were absolutely necessary or not. Year after year, ever since the minister has been minister, he has been appointing inspectors. There has never been a year when he has not had three or four bills to appoint inspectors of one thing or another. This year, owing to his health not being very good, we have escaped bills of that nature until the very end of the session. Of course,

I am very glad to see that the minister's health is better, as we all are. Can he tell the committee how many inspectors he has appointed since he became Minister of Agriculture?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

If the hon. member will ask for a return, I will try and get the information.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I am afraid that if I did the next government would have to bring it down.

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CON

Thomas Erlin Kaiser

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KAISER:

Have we had any inspectors on this particular job before?

Maple Sugar Industry

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May 29, 1930