May 2, 1930

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

I would naturally assume that, although my hon. friend from St. John-Albert (Mr. MacLaren) has thrown a new light on it-the members will have to travel a great deal.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Two honorary

members and two salaried members might hold meetings simultaneously. If the minister said that two of the salaried members of the committee should constitute a quorum, it seems to me it would be quite in order, but to say that two members of the committee shall constitute a quorum leaves it open for two meetings to be going on at once. I do not think that is the intention of the minister.

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

I would hesitate to amend the section. As the member for St. John-Albert informed the house, the committee gave thought to that feature. They realized that there will be travelling by the paid members of the committee, and that two members might be away from Ottawa for a considerable period during which it would be essential that certain routine matters should be attended to. In that case you would have one member in Ottawa who could not act unless he called in the deputy or assistant deputy. I think the section had better be left as it is. If the paid members are here in Ottawa, naturally they will form a quorum; but if the proposed amendment was made, business might be held up for some time to the detriment of the veterans. However, I would rather hear the views of the committee at the present time than express my own opinion.

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Edmond Baird Ryckman

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RYCKMAN:

I was not a member of the committee, but if the minister wishes to arrive speedily at a clarification of the section, he could do so by amending it to read that two members of the committee, one of whom shall be a salaried member, shall constitute a quorum.

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Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I was one of the members of the committee and was present at practically all the meetings. With reference to our intention as expressed by the member for St. John-Albert, we did discuss the personnel. I was one of those who did not believe in the original proposition of the minister, I preferred the section as we have it to-day, and most of the other members after talking it over thought likewise. The purpose was to give an opportunity for travel, and so far as the danger of one of these members of the committee in association with the deputy minister or the assistant deputy minister is concerned I do not think there is any harm in taking whatever risk there may be. My reason for saying that is that three of the members of the committee are paid members and the fourth member is there in an honorary capacity and is recommended by the war veterans themselves. The only member associated with whatever government may be in power is the representative of the department. He himself could do nothing except with the consent of one other member. He would have to have the consent of the honorary member or of a paid member and after all if those two members did happen to do something that was not quite right the others could over-rule him. It is my opinion that the arrangement as it is presently proposed and without any amendment should be satisfactory to all concerned. It will give the best service to the returned soldiers and that, after all, was the desire of the committee.

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Section agreed to. On section 4.-To whom allowances paid.


CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I would like to ask the

minister who is to determine the question of permanent unemployability, and how it is to be determined.

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

It will be the

duty and function of the board to develop machinery whereby they can ascertain the employability of the individual who has made application. It is a matter of detail which will have to be worked out by the board from time to time.

Militia Pension Act

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

The minister has no further information than that?

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Section agreed to. Section 5 agreed to. On section 6-Maximum allowance to a married man or widower with children.


CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I was not a member of

the pensions committee and I have never seen a statement of the cost to the country of this legislation. I think that information should be given as fully as possible. We should also know if the estimate is calculated on an actuarial basis.

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

The departmental officers did appear before the committee with statistical data based on actuarial findings. The cost will vary from year to year; in the first year it will be about $2,000,000. The peak will be reached in twenty-eight years; the cost in the last year of that period will be $18,000,000. From that time it will gradually decline and run out. When we reach the peak the pensions obligations will have been decreased very materially; it will take about fifty years for this plan to run its course.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

Fifty years.

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

Yes.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

Is that estimate based on

a sixty year limitation or a sixty-five year limitation?

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

Sixty years.

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Section agreed to. On section 7-Certain deductions not to be made.


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Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

I would ask the minister to

explain the words "additional pension". Does that mean the ordinary pension under the Pension Act or is it some special kind of pension?

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John Warwick King

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

That is under the ordinary Pension Act; it applies in the case of a man who receives a five per cent or a ten per cent pension.

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Alan Webster Neill

Independent

Mr. NEILL:

Why is the word "additional"

used?

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May 2, 1930